Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Gnasher]

37 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

This is what Starmer is up against, all he did was visit a synagogue but the comments... wow.

 

 

 

This could be the unfortunate outcome. False allegations causing resentment against innocent people. The level of anti semitism in the labour party is no worse than any other political party, it's all transparent bullshit.

 

The likes of Hodge, Rilley, Jess Phillips are not the ones who have to deal with the fallout from the political games. 

 

Anyone for a musical interlude?

 

 

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Numero said:

I thought his reply after the report was about perfect. I’m surprised he chose to withdraw the whip, so that’s interesting but I guess we will see how it plays out. 

His reply after the report was fine until he made it a condition that no one shall be allowed to pass comment on the amount of anti semitism in the labour party. It was a ridiculous caveat and the result is troublesome if not unsurprising.

[sir roger]

To be fair you are  correct he didn't interfere with the process , he just decided he disagreed with it and overrode it.

 

Looking on the bright side it could save the party a fortune, just get Sir Keir and Marie Van Der Zyl in a room once a month, bish bash bosh.

[Stickman]

 

[Gnasher]

So this also means the 34 thousand or so people who voted Labour in Nth London have temporarily no mp to represent them in Parliament? Or dont they matter? And for what?

 

This is an out and out shitshow.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Gnasher said:

So this also means the 34 thousand or so people who voted Labour in Nth London have temporarily no mp to represent them in Parliament? Or dont they matter? And for what?

 

This is an out and out shitshow.

They have an MP? It’s the same one they voted for. 

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, Numero said:

They have an MP? It’s the same one they voted for. 

I thought Corbyn is no longer an mp and cannot vote or take part in parliament? 

[Creator Supreme]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I thought Corbyn is no longer an mp and cannot vote or take part in parliament? 

He's sitting as an Independent apparently.

[Bruce Spanner]

With the whip removed he becomes independant.

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

He's sitting as an Independent apparently.

Ah I see.

[Pidge]

Which surely would remove him from the party... Surely you can't sit as a non-labour MP and be a member...

[Strontium]

You definitely can, because being a party member and taking the whip in the Commons are two different things.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

[Bruce Spanner]

21 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Which surely would remove him from the party... Surely you can't sit as a non-labour MP and be a member...

You can stand for office as an independent but still a member of a party, but if you’re not their official selection you can’t be elected as MP for the Tories etc. Very rare though and self defeating.

 

Once inside you could join them, in the unlikely event you win though. This could lead to a by-election though.

[Creator Supreme]

4 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Despise her, a truly horrible lying twat!

[Bjornebye]

11 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

She shouldn't be allowed to lie like that without being challenged. Then you see its LBC and facts aren't their speciality. 

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-jeremy-corbyn-and-the-wreath-row

 

 

[Creator Supreme]

3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

She shouldn't be allowed to lie like that without being challenged. Then you see its LBC and facts aren't their speciality. 

 

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-jeremy-corbyn-and-the-wreath-row

 

 

If you challenge her mate you're just a horrible anti-semite like Jeremy Corbyn and every other socialist!

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Creator Supreme said:

If you challenge her mate you're just a horrible anti-semite like Jeremy Corbyn and every other socialist!

Very true. 

[Strontium]

I love how that article repeats Corbyn's claim that he wasn't involved in any wreath-laying, then the pictures show him holding a big fuck-off wreath.

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I love how that article repeats Corbyn's claim that he wasn't involved in any wreath-laying, then the pictures show him holding a big fuck-off wreath.

People draw their own conclusions but to me it looks and sounds like he was laying a wreath to honour those innocent people killed by an Israeli Airstrike in 1985 that was widely condemned worldwide. It just happened to be in the same cemetery as the Black September Terrorists so of-course to save face and slander, the narrative will be that it was in-memory of terrorists. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying

 

Yet more "Don't criticise our actions" behaviour. 

[Gnasher]

These unfit for office by association peope wont be happy with who the next president of the United States used to knock about with,

 

 

 

[Scooby Dudek]

8 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

If you challenge her mate you're just a horrible anti-semite like Jeremy Corbyn and every other socialist!

It is great isn't it.

Accuse someone of something outrageous and the mere fact of refuting said accusation, confirms the accusation. 

 

I wonder if this would work in any other scenario.

 

I accuse you of shooting sheriffs.

I don't shoot sheriffs.

 

Case closed, best thing to do would be for you to resign from your job because you are causing all sorts of problems by disgustingly denying that you shoot sheriffs.

Just resign so we can all move on and the Board of Deputies will be happy.

[Creator Supreme]

Just now, Scooby Dudek said:

It is great isn't it.

Accuse someone of something outrageous and the mere fact of refuting said accusation, confirms the accusation. 

 

I wonder if this would work in any other scenario.

 

I accuse you of shooting sheriffs.

I don't shoot sheriffs.

 

Case closed, best thing to do would be for you to resign from your job because you are causing all sorts of problems by disgustingly denying that you shoot sheriffs.

Just resign so we can all move on and the Board of Deputies will be happy.

As I say mate I'm glad I'm not involved in the shit show that is the Labour Party. I'm dismayed at the thoughts of the Greens adopting the IHRA definition as I know it will cause similar fall out amongst our party members too (on a much smaller scale obviously)!

[Bjornebye]

Reminder though how good a film Munich is. I think its pretty under-rated actually. 

[Strontium]

14 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

People draw their own conclusions but to me it looks and sounds like he was laying a wreath to honour those innocent people killed by an Israeli Airstrike in 1985 that was widely condemned worldwide. It just happen to be in the same cemetery as the Black September Terrorists so of-course to save face and slander, the narrative will be that it was in-memory of terrorists. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying

 

Corbyn himself said at the time that the wreaths were laid on the graves of those killed in 1985 and also on the graves of individuals killed in Paris in 1991, presumably meaning the Black September organiser who was killed in Paris in 1992 and/or the Black September organiser who was killed in Tunis in 1991. The other problem with the "he only laid a wreath for those killed in 1985" argument is that photographs show him both near the 1985 memorial and also near the graves of the PLO/Black September ringleaders (the photos of him holding a wreath, in fact).

 

I was sure we went over this at tedious length a few years ago. My personal impression is that he probably only had half a clue about who he was laying wreaths to (the fact he referred to non-existent assassinations in Paris in 1991 pretty much backs this up), but whether he actually laid a wreath to people who castrated and murdered Jews, or just happened to be in the same graveyard when someone else did... well, it's not going to inspire much confidence in Jewish people either way.

 

Even on the kindest interpretation, it displays a level of poor judgement which seems to have affected him and his allies frequently over the years, most recently Diane Abbott speaking the other day at an online event alongside apologists for Uyghur persecution.