Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Kevin D]

If you're in Corbyn's press office, how do you not lead with that story every single day?

 

Get Brexit done? He's a lying posh boy twat; when Corbyn was saving a random constituent's daughter from being kidnapped, this cunt was selling his mayoral office to the highest bidder while shagging behind his cancer ridden wife's back.

 

If he doesn't think twice about fucking them over, what do you think him and his arsehole oxbridge twats will do to you?

[Numero Veinticinco]

I honestly don't think that's as big of a vote winning as you think, Kev. 'Why is Corbyn dealing with one person when the entire nation is on the knife-edge'. It's very easy to start pushing back against by the Tory HQ. 

[Kevin D]

28 minutes ago, Numero said:

I honestly don't think that's as big of a vote winning as you think, Kev. 'Why is Corbyn dealing with one person when the entire nation is on the knife-edge'. It's very easy to start pushing back against by the Tory HQ. 

 

Not necessarily a vote getter. 

 

It goes to giving him a different personal narrative, that people can admire.

 

Solid, legitimate push back against the idea that he's some effeminate tree hugger, who is lounging it up with terrorists while a man like Boris faces down criminals, because he's not restricted by all this PC bollocks, which real men like you and I know is a load of shite.

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

14 minutes ago, Kevin D said:

 

Not necessarily a vote getter. 

 

It goes to giving him a different personal narrative, that people can admire.

 

Solid, legitimate push back against the idea that he's some effeminate tree hugger, who is lounging it up with terrorists while a man like Boris faces down criminals, because he's not restricted by all this PC bollocks, which real men like you and I know is a load of shite.

 

I totally see your point, on a personally level (well, on pretty much all levels) his communications team were absolutely fucking SHIT. They were up against it, as will every Labour leader be - Miliband had much of the same shit going on - but they really allowed that shit to get away from them. The antisemitism, the fence sitting, the terrorist meetings, the allotment loving narratives all flourished without my push back. I actually hated voting this last time out, because I knew it was a total waste of time. Corbyn would have made a much better leader than Johnson, but it was never a reality in this vote. Between 2017 and 2019 elections, things had slipped from a narrow-ish loss but better than expected to a fucking catastrophe, partially of their own incompetence as a party (as a whole) and partly through outside influence. 

 

It sucks balls, but it's done. The irony of it all, I fucking hated David Miliband, I ripped him down as a Blairite piece of shit, his war record, his potential involvement in rendition, etc; but I'd bend over backwards for him to be PM now. That's how bad things have become. Some people are treating me as if I'm sort of Keir Starmer loyalist just because I'm not falling over myself to accept illogical bullshit and twisting of events to throw shit at him. No, I'm an anti-Tory voter who wants somebody that might have a chance of winning. 

[Anubis]

It would have only been turned into a Corbyn helps immigrants at the expense of good solid British citizens story.

[Section_31]

31 minutes ago, Numero said:

 

I totally see your point, on a personally level (well, on pretty much all levels) his communications team were absolutely fucking SHIT. They were up against it, as will every Labour leader be - Miliband had much of the same shit going on - but they really allowed that shit to get away from them. The antisemitism, the fence sitting, the terrorist meetings, the allotment loving narratives all flourished without my push back. I actually hated voting this last time out, because I knew it was a total waste of time. Corbyn would have made a much better leader than Johnson, but it was never a reality in this vote. Between 2017 and 2019 elections, things had slipped from a narrow-ish loss but better than expected to a fucking catastrophe, partially of their own incompetence as a party (as a whole) and partly through outside influence. 

 

It sucks balls, but it's done. The irony of it all, I fucking hated David Miliband, I ripped him down as a Blairite piece of shit, his war record, his potential involvement in rendition, etc; but I'd bend over backwards for him to be PM now. That's how bad things have become. Some people are treating me as if I'm sort of Keir Starmer loyalist just because I'm not falling over myself to accept illogical bullshit and twisting of events to throw shit at him. No, I'm an anti-Tory voter who wants somebody that might have a chance of winning. 

 

That's where I am. There's an element of bloody mindedness to it and I freely admit that. Even when I had concerns over Corbyn I'd defend him against attacks I thought were unjustified, of which there were many, and for a time that resulted in me supporting him even more because I felt he was an underdog who was getting unfairly treated. 

 

The irony is, that's how I felt about Starmer when he was elected. There'd been ZERO attacks on him from any factions of the party until he decided to run against Long Bailey, and the attacks were ridiculous, ranging from him being a Sir, to some seriously ropey, conspiratorial stuff. This is the big irony for me, that some of the people attacking the man spent a good portion of the last few years bemoaning unjustified attacks on Corbyn. 

 

The party needs to unite. Due to the havoc wrought by Thatcher, much like the Democrats there simply aren't the troop numbers to reconstitute a truly, exclusively left wing/working class Labour support. It has to become a party of 'everyone but the Tories'. A lot of Corbyn followers' messaging would have scared a lot of people in those various camps off. 

 

Scotland is pretty much gone,  that's 50-odd MPs lost to Labour, I think Wales is salvageable and the North will come roaring back once Brexit is done, one way or the other. Johnson has a 'unique' appeal that won't be transferred to someone like Raab or Patel or whichever halfwit follows. Someone like Starmer has to unite the North, plus the Lib Dems, the Greens, and a very, very sizable portion of people who've voted Tory. New money Barrett House man and Captain Mainwaring both. The Tories have and will become the party of the oligarch and media baron with a brownshirt army of racist white van man cockneys who love Alan Sugar. But that's beatable. 

[Jairzinho]

I really hope the latter part of your last paragraph comes to fruition. But it's really worrying how many people think Johnson is doing a good job now. It seems to point at requiring Brexit to basically wipe out half the economy for a sufficient amount of people to switch sides.

 

They are doing an unbelievably bad job of dealing with the pandemic. Almost everything they have done has been too late, not decisive enough, or absolutely fucking mad, and yet there are still loads of people saying "HE'S GIVEN US SOME MONEY TO STAY HOME". Like it's come out of his wallet.

[Bruce Spanner]

22 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

I really hope the latter part of your last paragraph comes to fruition. But it's really worrying how many people think Johnson is doing a good job now. It seems to point at requiring Brexit to basically wipe out half the economy for a sufficient amount of people to switch sides.

 

They are doing an unbelievably bad job of dealing with the pandemic. Almost everything they have done has been too late, not decisive enough, or absolutely fucking mad, and yet there are still loads of people saying "HE'S GIVEN US SOME MONEY TO STAY HOME". Like it's come out of his wallet.

Easy to manipulate the message...

‘Those nasty Europeans ganged up against us to ruin the British economy. Vote Tory to save us from labour forcing us into trading with them on disadvantageous terms’

 

It’ll be swallowed, like most of the shit they pump out because people don’t remember yesterday, let alone last week. 
 

The only hope is that Alex and the band of bastards become so toxic with infighting that they destroy themselves. 

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

34 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

I really hope the latter part of your last paragraph comes to fruition. But it's really worrying how many people think Johnson is doing a good job now. It seems to point at requiring Brexit to basically wipe out half the economy for a sufficient amount of people to switch sides.

 

They are doing an unbelievably bad job of dealing with the pandemic. Almost everything they have done has been too late, not decisive enough, or absolutely fucking mad, and yet there are still loads of people saying "HE'S GIVEN US SOME MONEY TO STAY HOME". Like it's come out of his wallet.

I think the clue maybe in your last sentence, wait till the hangover kicks in.

[Strontium]

59 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

racist white van man cockneys who love Alan Sugar

 

White racists are certainly well known for their love of Jews.

[sir roger]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

 

That's where I am. There's an element of bloody mindedness to it and I freely admit that. Even when I had concerns over Corbyn I'd defend him against attacks I thought were unjustified, of which there were many, and for a time that resulted in me supporting him even more because I felt he was an underdog who was getting unfairly treated. 

 

The irony is, that's how I felt about Starmer when he was elected. There'd been 

 

The party needs to unite. Due to the havoc wrought by Thatcher, much like the Democrats there simply aren't the troop numbers to reconstitute a truly, exclusively left wing/working class Labour support. It has to become a party of 'everyone but the Tories'. A lot of Corbyn followers' messaging would have scared a lot of people in those various camps off. 

 

 

It appears the party only needs to unite once any left wing leader isnt in place. You or Numero said that it is strange that Corbyn supporters are doing what they complained about from the centrists / right wing , but they never made any attempt to get behind Corbyn , so you are in effect saying they were happy to screw you but we want you to forget that and help them wipe you out.

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, sir roger said:

It appears the party only needs to unite once any left wing leader isnt in place. You or Numero said that it is strange that Corbyn supporters are doing what they complained about from the centrists / right wing , but they never made any attempt to get behind Corbyn , so you are in effect saying they were happy to screw you but we want you to forget that and help them wipe you out.

I’ve been slaying the left for lack of unity for many, many years on here. Way before Corbynites knew who Corbyn was. If they don’t forget it, and seek vengeance, then the cycle continues. 

[sir roger]

Have you slayed the right for their shenanigans over the past few years , I seem to have missed it ?

[Numero Veinticinco]

20 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Have you slayed the right for their shenanigans over the past few years , I seem to have missed it ?

The right? No, I’m talking about the unity in the left, or the lack of it. And yes, I have castigated those you consider ‘the right’ (the centre left, generally). Many times. 
 

BTW, I meant ‘slating’ not slaying. It was my phone l’s autocorrect. I didn’t murder people. 

[cloggypop]

[Section_31]

30 minutes ago, sir roger said:

It appears the party only needs to unite once any left wing leader isnt in place. You or Numero said that it is strange that Corbyn supporters are doing what they complained about from the centrists / right wing , but they never made any attempt to get behind Corbyn , so you are in effect saying they were happy to screw you but we want you to forget that and help them wipe you out.

 

I genuinely don't think the party became fractured because Corbyn was 'left wing', and as I've said before I don't think he's especially socialist in the English Labour Party sense of the phrase, I'd have him down more as a trendy liberal hippy. John McDonnell is left wing/socialist in the traditional sense of the word, Rebecca Long Bailey just regurgitates spiel. People have seized ownership of the words 'left wing' and 'socialist' but I don't see it myself, I just see people saying 'solidarity' and 'comrade' quite a bit. I suspect Corbyn's biggest crime was being an 'outsider', much like Bernie Sanders. 

 

Corbyn was largely disliked by other MPs because he'd always been a rogue. He wasn't especially arsed with getting any policy through, he just liked speaking out and protesting, and that's fair enough, but he probably wasn't someone who a lot of MPs were especially optimistic about following into battle.

 

I don't really understand what you're getting at to be honest with the fact I'm bemoaning people having a go at Starmer over daft shit like the fact he's a knight, before he was even days into the job. His biggest crime for many is that he's not Corbyn. 

 

Ed Miliband was considered left wing but he was a shite leader, I don't remember people being accused of being centrists/rightwing/blairites for stating that opinion.  

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, cloggypop said:

Boss.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Kevin D said:

If you're in Corbyn's press office, how do you not lead with that story every single day?

 

Get Brexit done? He's a lying posh boy twat; when Corbyn was saving a random constituent's daughter from being kidnapped, this cunt was selling his mayoral office to the highest bidder while shagging behind his cancer ridden wife's back.

 

If he doesn't think twice about fucking them over, what do you think him and his arsehole oxbridge twats will do to you?

Even allowing for the fact that 99.9% of the media ganged up in a frenzy of lies, smears, libel and gobshitery, I still think that Corbyn's press team took the shit hand they'd been dealt and played it really badly. The way the obvious and easily disprovable lie "Labour rejects IHRA definition" was allowed to become accepted as fact reflects badly on everyone. 

[Bjornebye]

And people on here slag this man off. 

 

 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

The best way to stop that was from being in power before the referendum in Tory manifesto won an election, then it was winning the referendum, then it was winning the election. Unfortunately they didn't win anything, which is where the criticism comes from, and a tweet - as heartfelt as it surely is - won't do anything to stop the Tories. People shouldn't slag the man off on a personal level, but surely criticism of his job as a high ranking politician paid for pay the state should be fair game?

[Rico1304]

59 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

And people on here slag this man off. 

 

 

 

 

He’s the Roy Hodgson of politics. Ok, as long as he’s not in charge of your club. 

[Strontium]

18 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

He’s the Roy Hodgson of politics.

 

Ha, I was reading an old thread today where someone had said that about Ed Miliband.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 hours ago, Numero said:

The best way to stop that was from being in power before the referendum 

Not sure anyone could pin that on Corbyn.

 

Lisa Nandy would probably try, like.

[Numero Veinticinco]

5 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Not sure anyone could pin that on Corbyn.

 

Lisa Nandy would probably try, like.

Indeed. The failure to keep the Tories out runs deep. Far deeper that Corbyn. 

[Gnasher]

31 minutes ago, Numero said:

Indeed. The failure to keep the Tories out runs deep. Far deeper that Corbyn. 

Indeed. Although you made that analysis at the start of a post that was once again critical of Corbyn.