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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?


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  1. 1. Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?



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8 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

Really glad this has been weaponised again. It should be a lovely distraction for the Tories, when they say 'just like Corbyn'. 

I don't think the Tories ever stopped using the anti-Semitism smear against Labour.

 

It seems that spreading lies about your own party, just because you don't like the current leader, isn't a strategy for long-term success.

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Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I don't think the Tories ever stopped using the anti-Semitism smear against Labour.

 

It seems that spreading lies about your own party, just because you don't like the current leader, isn't a strategy for long-term success.

Until now it hasn't been a viable attack line on Starmer himself. The Tories are going to obviously go after him on this. 

 

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8 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I don't think the Tories ever stopped using the anti-Semitism smear against Labour.

 

It seems that spreading lies about your own party, just because you don't like the current leader, isn't a strategy for long-term success.

Barely a week goes by without someone on the Labour front bench mentioning Jeremy Corbyn or anti semitism or both. 

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On 08/07/2022 at 10:02, Nelly-Matip said:

He is. But why? I thought he was boss.
And wanted him to become PM.

 

But, he’s now a 73 year old backbench MP. Not even that now, he’s an independent MP. The mission was successful. His goals and ideology have pretty much been killed off, for all intents and purposes. That should be enough. Just let the old fella live in peace now that the job is done.

If you think Corbyn was the first person to promote socialism then you're very much mistaken. 
 

if you think socialism is dead and the ideologies he ran with buried with his legacy you are very much mistaken

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32 minutes ago, Fowlers God said:

If you think Corbyn was the first person to promote socialism then you're very much mistaken. 
 

if you think socialism is dead and the ideologies he ran with buried with his legacy you are very much mistaken

“For all intents and purposes.”

 

Socialism isn’t dead. But, it’s an ideology that the Labour Party no longer seem to be following and there’s no other socialist party which could come anywhere near forming a government. A lot of people saw Corbyn as offering hope and someone who could deliver real change to the country. And who could actually get in to power to implement that change. They might have been mistaken. But, he came close. Will anybody else ever come that close again? I seriously doubt it. So, for me, the idea of a democratic socialist government is now a massive long shot and that idea is dead in the water, with democratic socialism once again being relegated from mainstream political thinking to being more of a fringe, around the edges movement. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Nelly-Matip said:

Yes. I’m riled up. You got me. Grrrrr! 

You certainly seem flustered, yes. 

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Chris Williamson wasn't it? (I may be wrong) 

Maybe, I was trying to find out who he was referring to before agreeing or disagreeing. If he meant Corbyn, then it’s not just semantics to point out he wasn’t. Though scoring tribal points is rarely about being accurate. I *think* Williamson was suspended for saying Labour he been too apologetic though I can’t really remember. If he was suspended for it, then fair comment. 

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1 minute ago, Hank Moody said:

You certainly seem flustered, yes. 

Maybe, I was trying to find out who he was referring to before agreeing or disagreeing. If he meant Corbyn, then it’s not just semantics to point out he wasn’t. Though scoring tribal points is rarely about being accurate. I *think* Williamson was suspended for saying Labour he been too apologetic though I can’t really remember. If he was suspended for it, then fair comment. 

I’ll reply later when I’ve calmed down. Or something.*

 

*yawns 
 

 

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6 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

 

Maybe, I was trying to find out who he was referring to before agreeing or disagreeing. If he meant Corbyn, then it’s not just semantics to point out he wasn’t. Though scoring tribal points is rarely about being accurate. I *think* Williamson was suspended for saying Labour he been too apologetic though I can’t really remember. If he was suspended for it, then fair comment. 

That rings more of a bell and I can't be arsed googling. 

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10 hours ago, Anubis said:

There is something wryly amusing that a 73 year old, allotment and manhole cover loving vegan, who has spent his career advocating for fairness, equality and peace, is the Keyser Söze of British politics.

The whole corbyn anti semitism smear thing is the best example of say a lie often enough and it becomes 'fact"there Is.

I'd still like to know how exactly you can be a pacifist terrorist sympathiser. 

I wonder if starmer will know get a glimpse of what corbyn had to go through.

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9 hours ago, Nelly-Matip said:

Accusations of people weaponising antisemitism? Does anybody know when Margaret will be suspended and have the whip withdrawn from her? 
 

Consistency, kids…

Self awareness is not her strongest point I'm guessing?

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2 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

The whole corbyn anti semitism smear thing is the best example of say a lie often enough and it becomes 'fact"there Is.

I'd still like to know how exactly you can be a pacifist terrorist sympathiser. 

I wonder if starmer will know get a glimpse of what corbyn had to go through.

Seems to have blown over to be honest. There’s just no legs in this. There were a lot of things that you could make a story out of with Corbyn, but this one is actually just silly. So they can trump it up once, but that’s it. With Corbyn they could keep going back and back and back to meetings or things he said or whatever. Individually they would have gone away, but to keep on going with it is what hurt Corbyn. 

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2 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

Seems to have blown over to be honest. There’s just no legs in this. There were a lot of things that you could make a story out of with Corbyn, but this one is actually just silly. So they can trump it up once, but that’s it. With Corbyn they could keep going back and back and back to meetings or things he said or whatever. Individually they would have gone away, but to keep on going with it is what hurt Corbyn. 

I've seen people argue he is a bona fide nazi 

It was an a brilliant lesson on brainwashing..much better if it can be done with a thimble.

My guess is they will use something else to go after starmer with.

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2 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

I've seen people argue he is a bona fide nazi 

It was an a brilliant lesson on brainwashing..much better if it can be done with a thimble.

My guess is they will use something else to go after starmer with.

Yeah, I don’t think it will be this. It’s just not something you can pin to Starmer. I think they’ll throw as much shit as they can to see what sticks. They had this Durham business for a while, now they’re looking for something else. 
 

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