Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

If you don't know who the hard left are, you haven't really been paying attention.

 

Also, if people are going to neg, okay, but at least explain what you disagree with.

You neg without explanation all the time fella. 

[Bjornebye]

14 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I'm sure she'll carry her share of the "blame" for winning an extra 1.3 million votes as it is, without us having to do anything.

 

 

It's really, really not trolling at all. Personally I have no interest whatsoever in the survival of The Project, but I'll give clear-headed, objective advice wherever I can, because that's the kind of guy I am. And it's immaterial whether you believe Corbyn was personally toxic or not, I'm only suggesting that it can safely be trotted out as an excuse.

 

Someone or something has to carry the can for Labour's massive defeat, and it might as well be Corbyn rather than his policies, especially if you hope to serve similar policies up to the public in future.

Those that carry the can are those that voted to ruin us. 

[aRdja]

Some would argue one way to immediately move forward is to pick a socialist leader from the LFI members. That way one source of smears will immediately stop.

[Strontium]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

You neg without explanation all the time fella. 

 

Sure, but it's usually obvious, eg someone calling me a cunt or trying to provoke me. Whereas I've no idea what Spy Bee found objectionable in my earlier post, and would genuinely like to know his thinking.

[sir roger]

1 minute ago, viRdjil said:

Some would argue one way to immediately get ahead is to pick a  socialist leader from the LFI members. That way one source of smears will immediately stop.

You might struggle to see too much of an overlap in a Venn Diagram where the two categories are 

 

1) Socialist

2) Will look at their shoes when children are shot by Israeli snipers

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Sure, but it's usually obvious, eg someone calling me a cunt or trying to provoke me. Whereas I've no idea what Spy Bee found objectionable in my earlier post, and would genuinely like to know his thinking.

Ringing his mum to get him sacked for calling you a K9 botherer on a football forum might be some sort of explanation. But what do I know. 

[Jairzinho]

9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

If you don't know who the hard left are, you haven't really been paying attention.

 

Also, if people are going to neg, okay, but at least explain what you disagree with.

Presumably you're referring to raising the corporation tax rate to a level that is nearly as high as it is in Belgium or Germany. Or having nationalised railways, like they have France...and Germany...and Italy...and Spain...and Canada...and Japan...

 

STALINISM.

 

It isn't hard left, you know it isn't hard left, and you sound really silly when you describe it as hard left.

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

 

It isn't hard left, you know it isn't hard left, and you sound really silly when you describe it as hard left.

Ive had that argument with my prick when I've gotten a boner in the bath many a time. Randomly, listening to M People in the bath edges it left but thats because I leave my phone on the windowsill and thats to my left when I lie in the bath. I don't know if my willy has a thing for Heather Small but they have something in common at least. And its not the afro. I trim monthly. And I don't bum. Well not often. 

[Spy Bee]

16 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Sure, but it's usually obvious, eg someone calling me a cunt or trying to provoke me. Whereas I've no idea what Spy Bee found objectionable in my earlier post, and would genuinely like to know his thinking.

It's a generic problem; discourse would in no way resolve it. I find that my disdain levels are marginally reduced when I click the neg button, and that in turn is probably is good for my overall health and mental well-being. Thanks for your interest though.

[aRdja]

11 minutes ago, sir roger said:

You might struggle to see too much of an overlap in a Venn Diagram where the two categories are 

 

1) Socialist

2) Will look at their shoes when children are shot by Israeli snipers

Barry Gardiner maybe?

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, viRdjil said:

Barry Gardiner maybe?

 

And people accuse me of being on the wind-up...

[aRdja]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

And people accuse me of being on the wind-up...

Happy for you to join in and identify another from the LFI lot bud.

[aRdja]

Maybe Thornberry? But she’s a staunch remainer. 

[Strontium]

35 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Happy for you to join in and identify another from the LFI lot bud.

 

Why would they have to be from the LFI lot? That doesn't make sense.

[aRdja]

16 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Why would they have to be from the LFI lot? That doesn't make sense.

Could be seen as a good ‘statement of intent’, to just calm things down a bit on that front.

[Scooby Dudek]

1 hour ago, viRdjil said:

Some would argue one way to immediately move forward is to pick a socialist leader from the LFI members. That way one source of smears will immediately stop.

Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall or Margaret Hodge would be my choices.

 

 

As an aside if you imagine picking any of the about would stop a source of smears you are very naive.

 

Moving policies to the right and sucking up to Murdoch would help in stopping the source of smears.

[aRdja]

Just now, Scooby Dudek said:

Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall or Margaret Hodge would be my choices.

 

 

As an aside if you imagine picking any of the about would stop a source of smears you are very naive.

 

Moving policies to the right and sucking up to Murdoch would help in stopping the source of smears.

We don’t want that though do we? There are red lines.

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Someone or something has to carry the can for Labour's massive defeat, and it might as well be Corbyn rather than his policies, especially if you hope to serve similar policies up to the public in future.

 

It can simply be blamed on Corbyn's neutral Brexit stance and none of his socialist policies need to be touched. I'm not saying it's right, but seeing as you mentioned tactics back there this could be one approach.

[Scooby Dudek]

2 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

We don’t want that though do we? There are red lines.

That was my point, if the policies stay the same, whoever is in charge is irrelevant, they will get constant smears and attacks.  

 

 

[Strontium]

12 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Could be seen as a good ‘statement of intent’, to just calm things down a bit on that front.

 

Not really necessary, is it. Just find a leader who accepts the Jewish state has a right to exist, and who doesn't invite Hamas for petit fours at Westminster.

[moof]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Not really necessary, is it. Just find a leader who accepts the Jewish state has a right to exist, and who doesn't invite Hamas for petit fours at Westminster.

Mate, can you fuck off with this shit now, he’s stepping down. 

[aRdja]

10 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

That was my point, if the policies stay the same, whoever is in charge is irrelevant, they will get constant smears and attacks.  

I feel dirty posting this, but perhaps selecting a leader who isn’t openly most passionate about Palestinian rights, would help calm things down a bit.

[RobbieOR]

Might as well just go the whole hog and pander to the far right if that's the route you want to go down. 

[Strontium]

Just now, viRdjil said:

I feel dirty posting this, but perhaps selecting a leader who isn’t most passionate about Palestinian rights, would help calm things down a bit.

 

Haha what. I would have no qualms about supporting a literal Palestinian who is passionate about Palestinian rights as Lib Dem leader. The difference is she supports a two state solution and despises Hamas, unlike a certain A N Other.

 

When will people like you stop pretending that this is all because Corbyn is "pro-Palestinian"? Any leader of any progressive party should be in favour of relieving oppressed peoples, that's not even close to being the issue here.

[aRdja]

9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Haha what. I would have no qualms about supporting a literal Palestinian who is passionate about Palestinian rights as Lib Dem leader. The difference is she supports a two state solution and despises Hamas, unlike a certain A N Other.

 

When will people like you stop pretending that this is all because Corbyn is "pro-Palestinian"? Any leader of any progressive party should be in favour of relieving oppressed peoples, that's not even close to being the issue here.

I’m fundamentally against a two-state solution because it’s not democratic. For democrats, the ultimate aim should only be a one state solution with equal rights for all citizens. At this point it’s obviously not realistic, so it’s something to be pursued in the on longer term. What I’m saying maybe we should put that in the “too hard” basket for now and revisit at a later stage. Since the best position to help the Palestinians is obviously when you’re in power.