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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?


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  1. 1. Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?



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1 minute ago, Denny Crane said:

 

Being a former head of the CPS for around five years means Starmer has more baggage than 95% of MPs. Considering one of the unintended consequences of Brexit has been the implied politicisation of those making choices at the elite level he would defo come under attack. Every case under his watch will be forensically examined. 

 

I don't think you can automatically suggest that he was aligned with the right/centre, to be honest. 

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Starmer was a very good DPP. I can’t think of anything in his tenure he might be attacked for.

 

If Starmer committed a fair few of the policies Labour have developed under Corbyn I wouldn’t be adverse to him. Trident isn’t a deal breaker for me. I like Clive Lewis as well. I just want a socially democratic government that tries to redress the balance between the very rich and poor, and protects the NHS and welfare state - for my money two of the greatest political concepts of the 20th century.

 

EDIT: Was unsure of myself so looked up the welfare state and saw it was a German 19th century concept. I’ll amend that to the British welfare state, then.

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Just now, Anubis said:

Starmer was a very good DPP. I can’t think of anything in his tenure he might be attacked for.

 

If Starmer committed a fair few of the policies Labour have developed under Corbyn I wouldn’t be adverse to him. Trident isn’t a deal breaker for me. I like Clive Lewis as well. I just want a socially democratic government that tries to redress the balance between Uber rich and poor.

Commie! 

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2 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Starmer was a very good DPP. I can’t think of anything in his tenure he might be attacked for.

 

If Starmer committed a fair few of the policies Labour have developed under Corbyn I wouldn’t be adverse to him. Trident isn’t a deal breaker for me. I like Clive Lewis as well. I just want a socially democratic government that tries to redress the balance between the very rich and poor.

Trident isn't a deal breaker for me either. In fact, it's a little like the Royal Family, almost impossible to change people's views on it quickly. 

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I think the Clive Lewis train has gone to be honest. He doesn’t seem to particularly get on with the leadership/Momentum faction anymore and I doubt he’d even get on the ballot for a leadership election.

 

For me, who the next leader is depends on if the Corbyn/McDonnell/Momentum sides of the party stick together and agree on a single candidate or if they all back their own one. 
 

Long-Bailey for example is rumoured to be the choice of McDonnell but if Momentum backed someone else she’d be in trouble. 
 

Last leadership contest Corbyn got 61% of the vote and Owen Smith who was absolutely fucking terrible got 38%. Just my own feeling but I think party is split roughly 35% anti Corbyn and 65% pro Corbyn. 
 

Someone like Starmer could get between 35-40% of the vote imo so if there are multiple choices after him I think he could sneak it. Of course, if someone like Jess Phillips stood (not that I think she’d have any chance of winning) she’d only take votes off Starmer. I think it’ll go to whichever side is pragmatic enough to throw all their weight behind one candidate. 

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36 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Starmer was a very good DPP. I can’t think of anything in his tenure he might be attacked for.

 

If Starmer committed a fair few of the policies Labour have developed under Corbyn I wouldn’t be adverse to him. Trident isn’t a deal breaker for me. I like Clive Lewis as well. I just want a socially democratic government that tries to redress the balance between the very rich and poor, and protects the NHS and welfare state - for my money two of the greatest political concepts of the 20th century.

 

EDIT: Was unsure of myself so looked up the welfare state and saw it was a German 19th century concept. I’ll amend that to the British welfare state, then.

I think you may be underestimating the Tory press, Anubis.

 

If he had just avoided the chicken coup thing I would have been happy to back him after Corbyn goes.

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I think Corbyn would wipe the floor with Johnson to be fair.

 

When Johnson got in I had only seen the usual clips and stories and expected him to be a cunt but a knockabout character with a keen wit and quick repartee , but I have been amazed how bumbling and hopeless he comes across.

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6 hours ago, mattyq said:

Starmer gets my vote

He's on top of his brief, professional and a decent person

He'd wipe the floor with Johnson in a debate

I'm not sure about Starmer wiping the floor with anyone.  He's obviously been a brilliant arguer in his previous profession but politics is very different.  I think he comes across as hesitant and stammers a bit too much in the HoC, maybe he just needs more practice, get out and about bit the next GE campaign to get a bit more experience maybe. 

The knobhead right wing press would probably re-name him "Keir Stammer" and then tell it's readers that we can't possibly have a "ponderous PM". 

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12 hours ago, sir roger said:

I think Corbyn would wipe the floor with Johnson to be fair.

 

When Johnson got in I had only seen the usual clips and stories and expected him to be a cunt but a knockabout character with a keen wit and quick repartee , but I have been amazed how bumbling and hopeless he comes across.

I reckon it's mostly an act. Bet he's totally different away from the cameras. 

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12 hours ago, sir roger said:

I think Corbyn would wipe the floor with Johnson to be fair.

 

When Johnson got in I had only seen the usual clips and stories and expected him to be a cunt but a knockabout character with a keen wit and quick repartee , but I have been amazed how bumbling and hopeless he comes across.

 

7 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

I reckon it's mostly an act. Bet he's totally different away from the cameras. 

I think there are two different things going on. There's the "loveable eccentric" shtick he's been practising for years, which is the essence of his brand; then there's also the genuine ineptitude that comes across when he tries to answer questions in a serious manner.

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I mentioned the other week that Clive Lewis would be my first choice if he was on the ballot too, but would he really have a chance at becoming PM?

 

We've got our hustings on Wednesday to decide who we’re going to put forward to lose against Hancock. The latest story about dear old Matt is that he was recently mocking a student who was on work experience in his office because his family had never been skiing. 

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28 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

 

I think there are two different things going on. There's the "loveable eccentric" shtick he's been practising for years, which is the essence of his brand; then there's also the genuine ineptitude that comes across when he tries to answer questions in a serious manner.

This is exactly it. He’s not a serious politician in the way he wasn’t a serious journalist, student, husband, father, etc.

 

He just isn’t a person of any substance at all, above a flowery vocabulary and a classical education.

 

It speaks ill enough of the entire country we’ve ended up with this fucking charlatan heading up this process. It should with any justice (but obviously won’t) bury the Tories as a party.

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10 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

I mentioned the other week that Clive Lewis would be my first choice if he was on the ballot too, but would he really have a chance at becoming PM?

 

Ex TA, mixed race, pro-remain, socialist. I think he ticks a lot of boxes. No idea what he'd be like in the spotlight. But every single time the right wing press attacked him he would be armed with "Have you ever served your country?" 

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13 hours ago, sir roger said:

I think Corbyn would wipe the floor with Johnson to be fair.

 

When Johnson got in I had only seen the usual clips and stories and expected him to be a cunt but a knockabout character with a keen wit and quick repartee , but I have been amazed how bumbling and hopeless he comes across.

Do you not think Corbyn comes across bumbling? Not in a daft twat Johnson way, but a doddery old man way? The amount of times he just loses his thread when speaking in the commons is really bad. I know behaviour there is bad at times, but part of the job is not to be distracted and he nearly always is. 

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The reaction to McDonnell would on a par with if not worse than the one to Corbyn. His baggage and judgement of what to say and when is not what will be required after Corbyn if the game is anything but playing to the base.

 

Lessons about performance need to be absorbed somewhere along with recognising the clear agenda of the forces amassed against Corbyn. It happens, of course if happens, it’s been as hateful as it is disgraceful, but it’s being given a fair few open goals and McDonnell won’t improve that. 

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25 minutes ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

The reaction to McDonnell would on a par with if not worse than the one to Corbyn. His baggage and judgement of what to say and when is not what will be required after Corbyn if the game is anything but playing to the base.

 

Lessons about performance need to be absorbed somewhere along with recognising the clear agenda of the forces amassed against Corbyn. It happens, of course if happens, it’s been as hateful as it is disgraceful, but it’s being given a fair few open goals and McDonnell won’t improve that. 

I genuinely believe that (what Corbyn getting wrong IMO) in the current political environment the only way to get to no 10, is not through “kinder, gentler politics”, but through (left-wing) populism led by a strong demagogue. Turn the working class against ‘elite’. Get personal. Tell the people that the tories are would happily send you to the slaughterhouse for a pack of crisps. Keep repeating the Thatcher assassination joke. Boris Johnson being a popular PM is evidence of that IMO. 

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