Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Creator Supreme]

I may be out of line here, but as much as Corbyn has every right to demand to be interim PM seeing as he is leader of the opposition, maybe he should take one for the team and step aside on this occasion! He would then definitely be the bigger man!

 

I'm no fan of Harriet Harman, but it's only interim PM, she'd do for a couple of months!

[Jose Jones]

27 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

I may be out of line here, but as much as Corbyn has every right to demand to be interim PM seeing as he is leader of the opposition, maybe he should take one for the team and step aside on this occasion! He would then definitely be the bigger man!

 

I'm no fan of Harriet Harman, but it's only interim PM, she'd do for a couple of months!

I think it’s all a load of politics that the Lib Dems and Tory rebels are saying they won’t accept Corbyn. The numbers aren’t there for Harmon or Clarke or whoever you might name.

This is just about trying to paint no deal Brexit as Corbyn’s fault.

 

Anyway, couldn’t Parliament just survive on bills proposed and passed by any member?  Why the need for an interim PM?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

36 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

I may be out of line here, but as much as Corbyn has every right to demand to be interim PM seeing as he is leader of the opposition, maybe he should take one for the team and step aside on this occasion! He would then definitely be the bigger man!

 

I'm no fan of Harriet Harman, but it's only interim PM, she'd do for a couple of months!

Nobody else has anything like the numbers that Corbyn has. 

 

Why take the risk of trying to build a coalition around some random MP with no credibility or democratic mandate to take a leading role?

[ZonkoVille77]

17 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Nobody else has anything like the numbers that Corbyn has. 

 

Why take the risk of trying to build a coalition around some random MP with no credibility or democratic mandate to take a leading role?

 

This.

[Mudface]

Looks like my local party is in good hands- had an email last night from a prospective parliamentary candidate to introduce himself. Unfortunately, he'd left everyone's email addresses visible rather than BCC-ing them in.

 

Another member replied to him saying she was glad to see he was standing and that she had complex health disabilities- rather than just replying to him, she copied everyone else into what was obviously a private email.

 

A couple of hours later, the candidate sent another email to apologise about his first one breaking GDPR, and not only left the original set of addresses visible, but actually added a few in. Oh, and he formatted it in purple Comic Sans.

[Creator Supreme]

49 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Nobody else has anything like the numbers that Corbyn has. 

 

Why take the risk of trying to build a coalition around some random MP with no credibility or democratic mandate to take a leading role?

But in the eyes of the swivel eyed loons, he has no credibility!

 

I agree, it is just politicking from the Dumbs and the ex-Tories, but something needs to shift, otherwise all we're left with is no deal.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

13 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

But in the eyes of the swivel eyed loons, he has no credibility!

 

I agree, it is just politicking from the Dumbs and the ex-Tories, but something needs to shift, otherwise all we're left with is no deal.

I'd rather tell the swivel-eyed loons to grow the fuck up and do the right thing by their constituents than cave in to their petty and fanciful nonsense. 

 

Any Labour supporters  who have complained that Corbyn is "not a leader" should recognise that this is the time to prove he is.

[Numero Veinticinco]

30 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Any Labour supporters  who have complained that Corbyn is "not a leader" should recognise that this is the time to prove he is.

Well, I think the issue might be that they don't think he can. I fucking hope he can. He's our last best hope. 

[Barrington Womble]

6 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

I think it’s all a load of politics that the Lib Dems and Tory rebels are saying they won’t accept Corbyn. The numbers aren’t there for Harmon or Clarke or whoever you might name.

This is just about trying to paint no deal Brexit as Corbyn’s fault.

 

Anyway, couldn’t Parliament just survive on bills proposed and passed by any member?  Why the need for an interim PM?

So if there's no numbers for an alternative candidate, how does it hurt Corbyn to say he's happy to work with Harman if they can establish the numbers? If this is all set to be Corbyn's fault, he can just side step that with one easy move. 

[Dr Nowt]

I think it’s just another example of how everyone has an eye on future elections. So much store has been placed in Corbyn not being a credible party leader let alone of the country, him being PM would be disastrous, he’s a crank etc. Him being head even of a government of national unity therefore poses such people two clear strategic problems.

 

1) He’s seen to be normalised and legitimised by a political system previously determined to paint him as dangerous outsider. If he performs well, this may lessen the worries of some affected by this portrayal and show he can perform such a role in a statesmanlike manner, therefore being seen as more trustworthy with his hand on the country’s tiller. It raises his credibility and reduces the easily played on fear factor. Image is key in politics, and they won’t want this to potentially give Corbyn’s a boost.

 

2) Those who haven’t remained opposed to him holding the role can in future be claimed to have endorsed him, both by Corbyn himself and especially whoever leads the Tories. This would hinder them and be used again and again, even if he performs badly. 

 

It’s lose lose for them, politically.

 

Obviously all concerned should be bigger than it coming down to this, but in reality none of them are and the tribalism on all sides is now not dissimilar to supporters of rival football teams.

[Anubis]

Corbyn is the leader of HM’s opposition in the house. Asking him to stand aside has nothing to do with his leadership capability and everything to do with trying to weaken his credibility in the event of an election. Get behind him for a short period, or fuck off and show where your true colours lie, which won’t be in stopping a no deal Brexit.

[Barrington Womble]

2 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Corbyn is the leader of HM’s opposition in the house. Asking him to stand aside has nothing to do with his leadership capability and everything to do with trying to weaken his credibility in the event of an election. Get behind him for a short period, or fuck off and show where your true colours lie, which won’t be in stopping a no deal Brexit.

Yes, but the key is in the name. He's leader of the opposition , he doesn't have the numbers to form a government. So he doesn't have the privilege to be choosey. If he can't make the numbers, even if that's because others are being partizan, he can't make the numbers. If someone else can, great as far as I'm concerned, because the national future is more important than any of this shite of politicians treating our lives like a game of fucking monopoly. Corbyn is as guilty of this as Swanson, May and Johnson. All any of them are (have been) bothered about is their own future. 

 

[Barrington Womble]

7 minutes ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

I think it’s just another example of how everyone has an eye on future elections. So much store has been placed in Corbyn not being a credible party leader let alone of the country, him being PM would be disastrous, he’s a crank etc. Him being head even of a government of national unity therefore poses such people two clear strategic problems.

 

1) He’s seen to be normalised and legitimised by a political system previously determined to paint him as dangerous outsider. If he performs well, this may lessen the worries of some affected by this portrayal and show he can perform such a role in a statesmanlike manner, therefore being seen as more trustworthy with his hand on the country’s tiller. It raises his credibility and reduces the easily played on fear factor. Image is key in politics, and they won’t want this to potentially give Corbyn’s a boost.

 

2) Those who haven’t remained opposed to him holding the role can in future be claimed to have endorsed him, both by Corbyn himself and especially whoever leads the Tories. This would hinder them and be used again and again, even if he performs badly. 

 

It’s lose lose for them, politically.

 

Obviously all concerned should be bigger than it coming down to this, but in reality none of them are and the tribalism on all sides is now not dissimilar to supporters of rival football teams.

Spot on that. There's no way any ex-tory or liberal wants to be seen as legitimising Corbyn as a leader. 

[moof]

1 hour ago, Anubis said:

Corbyn is the leader of HM’s opposition in the house. Asking him to stand aside has nothing to do with his leadership capability and everything to do with trying to weaken his credibility in the event of an election. Get behind him for a short period, or fuck off and show where your true colours lie, which won’t be in stopping a no deal Brexit.

Exactly this. Even the act of him acquiescing to these demands to step aside would be political suicide and probably mean the end of any chance of a labour government in the near future. Which is exactly why they are demanding it

[moof]

1 hour ago, Barry Wom said:

Yes, but the key is in the name. He's leader of the opposition , he doesn't have the numbers to form a government. So he doesn't have the privilege to be choosey. If he can't make the numbers, even if that's because others are being partizan, he can't make the numbers. If someone else can, great as far as I'm concerned, because the national future is more important than any of this shite of politicians treating our lives like a game of fucking monopoly. Corbyn is as guilty of this as Swanson, May and Johnson. All any of them are (have been) bothered about is their own future. 

 

This post does not recognise material reality. Pure fantasy politics 

 

 

[sir roger]

9 hours ago, Mudface said:

Looks like my local party is in good hands- had an email last night from a prospective parliamentary candidate to introduce himself. Unfortunately, he'd left everyone's email addresses visible rather than BCC-ing them in.

 

Another member replied to him saying she was glad to see he was standing and that she had complex health disabilities- rather than just replying to him, she copied everyone else into what was obviously a private email.

 

A couple of hours later, the candidate sent another email to apologise about his first one breaking GDPR, and not only left the original set of addresses visible, but actually added a few in. Oh, and he formatted it in purple Comic Sans.

Wondered where my old boss had gone.

[sir roger]

Still reckon the VONC thing is a complete red herring as proven by the ex-Tories voting with Johnson today to stop MP's taking over the workings of Parliament until the end of the month.

 

They won't vote anybody in as interim leader.

[Mudface]

4 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Wondered where my old boss had gone.

Heh- since then, another half dozen people have replied to everyone with the distribution list still visible, despite being told how to hide it.

[Chairman Meow]

12 hours ago, Mudface said:

Oh, and he formatted it in purple Comic Sans.

That alone should be a hanging offence. 

[Duff Man]

3 hours ago, sir roger said:

Still reckon the VONC thing is a complete red herring as proven by the ex-Tories voting with Johnson today to stop MP's taking over the workings of Parliament until the end of the month.

 

They won't vote anybody in as interim leader.

Yeah, what a surprise that was.

[Strontium]

On 23/09/2019 at 11:37, SasaS said:

Anybody have a link on why did Andrew Fisher resign? Or better yet, an explanation?

 

The full story is out.

 

 

Probably easier if I just post the full text of his resignation email. 

 

I wanted to let you all know that I have today written to Jennie Formby to resign.

To illustrate why, I will use a few examples – all from yesterday:

• Firstly, a major speech I was working on for Monday was pulled, without any plan to reschedule
• A pamphlet that was being launched yesterday in Scotland was pulled (neither the Leader, Shadow Chancellor, Pauline Bryan who authored it, or me who had signed it off were told why – I still don’t know). Oddly, the event to launch it still went ahead
• A tweet was drafted for Jeremy in light of the recent Russian bombing of hospitals in Idlib. The tweet condemned Syrian and US bombings in Syria (I kid you not)
• I was told by a manager in Southside that I am the only ED trusted professionally by another ED (now in some ways this cheered me, but actually it’s incredibly depressing).
• Despite a strapline having been promised by the end of August since mid-July, there is still no conference strapline, with conference just one week away. Tens of thousands of pounds have been spent on focus groups and polling for this and there is no end-product, just a blizzard of lies and excuses.
• A member of another team complained to me that there is “a class divide” in their team
• Another member of the same team told me they are applying for other jobs (I know of one other who is too, and several others are already leaving)
• A confidential document that I had prepared for the Leader (who asked me to share it with 3 other people) was shared more widely and then left on a printer
• I find out that JC’s major policy announcement for conference has been leaked to the Telegraph
• I find out that a policy story has been briefed onto the front page of the Times without my knowledge or sign off – and without the knowledge of another shadow cabinet member whose area it affects. I had assured that team it had not come from us earlier in the day. I later find out that a member of LOTO press team, a senior politician and their staff, and a member of my own LOTO policy team have connived to leak it and not tell me. Bizarrely, they then thought I would welcome hearing their conflicting excuses (but not apologies) by whatsapp, text and phone. Unsurprisingly, after the day described above, I decided to ignore it all and spend a sliver of time with my wife and son.

None of these things individually would be enough to make me leave. All of them happening three or four years ago wouldn’t have been enough to make me leave. All of them happening yesterday are not why I am leaving. But they are a snapshot of the lack of professionalism, competence and human decency which I am no longer willing to put up with daily. I’ve tried to resolve some of these issues for a long time, but have been unable to – and yesterday just proved that I never will.

As the sole surviving staff member from Jeremy’s first leadership campaign, I think I’ve probably put as much into this project as anyone else. I leave proud of what we have collectively achieved, but I no longer have faith that we can succeed, although I do hope I’m wrong. In fact, please prove me wrong. I remain committed to winning a socialist Labour government with Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister.

I also want to assure everyone that I will not be seeking a huge pay off (or any pay off). I do not have another job and have not applied for any. I won’t be briefing the press against anyone (never have, never will). I won’t be writing a book about my time working for the Labour Party. And I am not sharing this message anywhere else or with anyone else.

I will tell other staff and politicians that I am leaving due to family commitments. Between now and then I will continue to work hard to prepare us for conference, the likely imminent election, and to get us into a better and consensual place on Brexit.

I would strongly recommend that you consider promoting Mike Hatchett to Executive Director of Policy & Research (and backfill his role with Tom Webb) – but they are decisions you must take.

p.s. I will not be taking any calls this weekend, but I will participate in any work-related calls so that I can fulfil my role between now and when I leave. I’m not sending this message to start a debate and won’t engage in one. I’ll also delete it after a couple of hours.

[Bjornebye]

SD is Labour. 

[Evelyn Tentions]

MSM led by the Merde-och rags have done such a thorough hatchet job on Corbyn that many interviews I have read have been along the lines of  "I'm voting for Johnson because I don't trust Corbyn"

Words fail me.

[Bjornebye]

Its all slowly unravelling. It might take a few years but this world is getting taken back over by the good side. 

 

I only know this because I saw Angry of Tuebrook throwing a plastic hamster at a bizzie on twitter. 

 

To be honest i don't blame him. 

[aRdja]

A number of the usual accounts (Riley, Weetman, etc) on Twitter been drawing parallels between Corbyn and Hitler again lately. Really sad to see.