Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

This thread is littered with criticism of Corbyn and overly dramatic commentary regarding his dictatorial tendencies because of the possibility of Labour introducing mandatory reselection. 

 

It's duly noted that the makers of those comments are largely silent today when a Tory ACTUALLY deselects 20 plus MP's. 

 

It's almost like the reselection proposal wasn't their real issue, but they were instead finding fault for faults sake. 

 

Hypocrites. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

9 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

This thread is littered with criticism of Corbyn and overly dramatic commentary regarding his dictatorial tendencies because of the possibility of Labour introducing mandatory reselection. 

 

It's duly noted that the makers of those comments are largely silent today when a Tory ACTUALLY deselects 20 plus MP's. 

 

It's almost like the reselection proposal wasn't their real issue, but they were instead finding fault for faults sake. 

 

Hypocrites. 

I had noticed that too. Now, of course, they'll say they think the same for both people. That's not the point, the rush to criticise vs the reluctance to criticise is the most noticeable thing. 

[Rico1304]

16 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

This thread is littered with criticism of Corbyn and overly dramatic commentary regarding his dictatorial tendencies because of the possibility of Labour introducing mandatory reselection. 

 

It's duly noted that the makers of those comments are largely silent today when a Tory ACTUALLY deselects 20 plus MP's. 

 

It's almost like the reselection proposal wasn't their real issue, but they were instead finding fault for faults sake. 

 

Hypocrites. 

The deselection process started 20 mins ago. It’s a thread about Corbyn. You’re a cunt. All of you. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Just now, Rico1304 said:

The deselection process started 20 mins ago. It’s a thread about Corbyn. You’re a cunt. All of you. 

Shut up, racist. 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

The deselection process started 20 mins ago. It’s a thread about Corbyn. You’re a cunt. All of you. 

Are you suggesting Nelly is Code? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

7 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I had noticed that too. Now, of course, they'll say they think the same for both people. That's not the point, the rush to criticise vs the reluctance to criticise is the most noticeable thing. 

Correct. They're even pretending it was only announced tonight, when it's been reported on for a day or two. 

 

Not a peep though. In any threads, which they can freely voice their opinions in.

[Rico1304]

4 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Shut up, racist. 

Ok boss

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Correct. They're even pretending it was only announced tonight, when it's been reported on for a day or two. 

 

Not a peep though. In any threads, which they can freely voice their opinions in.

Or you could ignore criticism of Mogg, Johnson, Bone etc and have a circle jerk for the lefty of the week award. Pair of cunts. Or just one, who knows. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Why is anyone arsed having a pop at Rico? I'm in too good a mood to bitch about anyone. 

 

It's half-time, Liverpool 1 Barcelona 0.

A historic victory is in sight, with the chance of the really big prize getting closer.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

The whole "Corbyn just wants an election" rhetoric has took a bit of a beating tonight too. 

 

Mainly by him refusing one when he was offered it on a plate. He's got the interests of the country first. True leadership. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Why is anyone arsed having a pop at Rico? 

Nobody did that. He just assumed that people were referring to him and started chucking insults about. In his usual classless style. 

[Strontium]

13 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Nobody did that. He just assumed that people were referring to him and started chucking insults about. In his usual classless style. 

 

You're the one who started with the insults when you called people hypocrites (while providing zero supporting evidence).

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

You're the one who started with the insults when you called people hypocrites (while providing zero supporting evidence).

I've provided evidence of you being a hypocrite. And also a liar just today. 

 

Just saying. 

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

I've provided evidence of you being a hypocrite. And also a liar just today. 

 

Just saying. 

 

No you haven't. Happy to help.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

No you haven't. Happy to help.

Its there for all to see. Happy to point out your bollocks. 

[Duff Man]

Labour's Brexit policy not being 'doorstep ready' is the new line of attack, it seems. Shit gets weaker every time.

[Creator Supreme]

Running scared of an election according to the front page of the daily Heil!

[Denny Crane]

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• Boris Johnson is pushing anti-Brexit liberals towards Jeremy Corbyn — finally

   

  Faced with a snap election and the illiberalism of the Tories, Britain’s progressives will soon recognise that the Labour leader has all along been their best bet

 

 

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It suits Jeremy Corbyn’s enemies on the right and rivals at the alleged liberal centre to represent him as a closet authoritarian and anti-democrat; Stalin in gardening gloves. Never a particularly convincing representation of a man who has sanguinely tolerated more disloyalty from MPs than any previous Labour leader, the cottage industry of comment perpetuating this view, though argument or innuendo, looks particularly irresponsible after the past week.

The Conservative Party has in effect suspended parliament, hinted that it could ignore legislation passed before the suspension kicks in, and used deselection threats as a blackmail tool against its own MPs. This isn’t even a freak turn of the “populist” Boris Johnson era. Theresa May’s tenure was sustained by bribing another party into a confidence and supply arrangement, dubiously packing committees with Tory majorities, ignoring opposition motions, and even breaking the “pairing” vote convention for an MP absent on maternity leave. May’s was the first government to be found in contempt of parliament over its suppression of inconvenient legal advice it had received on Brexit.  

 

Corbyn’s record, by contrast, has been one of dedication to the liberal principle of due process, even when electorally inexpedient. During the Salisbury poisoning affair last year, Corbyn was attacked for calling for the publication of evidence before ascribing blame to the Russian government, as well as for stressing the need to see Russian interventions in Britain through the lens of Russian money laundering embraced in the City of London

 

When the teenage “Isis bride” Shamima Begum attempted to return to the UK with her new-born earlier this year, then home secretary, Sajid Javid, played to the Tory base by stripping her of citizenship. Corbyn pleaded Begum’s right to legal aid to challenge the decision. In recent reports, Begum is effectively stateless in Syria, her baby dead from pneumonia

 

 

In another example, Corbyn opposes the extradition of Julian Assange to the US, due next year, sparking fears over Assange's safety. This has put Corbyn at variance with many on the left for whom the rape allegations against Assange place him beyond moral defence. Yet for Corbyn, the point is that the extradition has nothing to do with these allegations, and everything to do with America's aim to criminalise the exposure of US atrocities.

While it is true that Labour has, for complex institutional reasons, struggled to sustain an adequate policy on antisemitism cases, it is also the case that the solutions of Corbyn’s critics – “just throw the cranks out” – have often come down to an analogous preference for positive optics over everybody receiving a fair hearing.

 

A few years ago, it was voguish on the centre left to speak of a “post-liberal” Britain, with an increasingly culturally conservative population. It appears now that the real “post-liberalism” has been the dereliction of their own principles by “moderate” liberals themselves, leaving it to the radical left to mount consistent opposition to illegal war, making people stateless, and attacks on the free press and human rights.

 

The question today is whether, faced with the illiberalism of the Tories now too blatant to ignore, Britain’s liberals will recognise that Corbyn has all along been their best bet. The weekend saw huge (and in some cases ongoing) demonstrations against Johnson across the country, uniting well-heeled Remainers and Eurosceptic leftists after years of acrimony. In Manchester, it also saw the return of Extinction Rebellion, the environmentalist group that has allowed the British bourgeoisie to reconnect with the virtues of disruptive direct action, establishing a Glastonbury-like camp impeding one of the city’s most polluted roads.

 

Figureheads for Remain in the media, in other parties, and within Labour itself, have too-often falsely painted Corbyn as an authoritarian hard Brexiteer and as interchangeable with Johnson. But the Corbynphobia of their ordinary supporters is far shallower. Most of them voted for him in 2017, after all, and – despite the misgivings of many Corbyn supporters including myself – a second referendum with a Remain option in all circumstances is now Labour’s policy.

The realisation that getting their way against no deal and on the environment is going to require a confrontational and anti-establishment attitude to politics also places liberals in a new alignment with Corbyn, once derided as a mere “protest” politician. 

A snap election is looming, and no side can fight it on Brexit alone. It will be for Britain’s liberals to consider who best reflects their stated principles of due process, equality before the law, human rights, and action on the environment. Just as importantly, they must decide who has shown the most resilience in defending these principles against entrenched interests, the existence and power of whom they are increasingly disabused about.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-no-deal-general-election-boris-johnson-corbyn-labour-a9089691.html

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Happy to point out your bollocks. 

Ughh!

[sir roger]

Surprisingly enough that wonky-faced Tory shill on the BBC is suggesting all of this might be the best thing that ever happened to Johnson.

[Mudface]

Master tactician, 4D chess wizard etc. Withdrawing the whip superficially sounds all hard and ruthless, in reality all he's done is liberate over 20 former Tory MPs to do what they want without being able to exert any pressure on them.

[aRdja]

9 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Surprisingly enough that wonky-faced Tory shill on the BBC is suggesting all of this might be the best thing that ever happened to Johnson.

Genuinely thought she was going to lose her job after being found guilty of smearing Corbyn.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

14 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Surprisingly enough that wonky-faced Tory shill on the BBC is suggesting all of this might be the best thing that ever happened to Johnson.

Nick Robinson interviewing Starmer on R4 is also desperately trying to spin something  - anything  - that looks negative for Corbyn. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Genuinely thought she was going to lose her job after being found guilty of smearing Corbyn.

Nah.

 

She's doing what her bosses want her to do.

[clockspeed]

Thoughts on Starmer as leader of Labour ?