Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Bjornebye]

10 minutes ago, moof said:

Polls need to be taken with a pinch of salt either way, but anyone who assumes the desire for leave has subsided or that remain would clearly win a second referendum needs their head checked 

I imagine a lot more people will have switched from leave to remain that vice-versa since the referendum. 

[moof]

3 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Remain would deffo win IMO, the leave lobby are just more willing to put their money where their mouths are, similar to trump voters. 

 

It's slacktivism vs people willing to grasp once in a lifetime opportunities to kick what they perceive to be the establishment in the balls.

 

Said it before about Corbyn but he can't be genuine when he claims to care for ordinary people because he knows beyond doubt he's dooming them to perpetual Tory rule by remaining in post.

 

I suspect it's an ever shrinking cabal of people around him who believe it's more pressing to reconstruct the party than the country. And that's shameful.

 

My mate used to go to socialist party meetings in Liverpool about ten years ago and they used to have things like guest speakers who were distantly related to Che Guevara, then hold discussions about the need to forcibly nationalise the top FTSE companies. 

 

This is now the Labour party rank and file. It's a joke, and meanwhile people will quite literally die as the Tories become increasingly right wing and remain in place for the next five to ten years. 

You been reading the telegraph recently or something mate? Corbyn is dooming the country to perpetual far right rule by not stepping aside? The fuck is this nonsense 

[Strontium]

13 minutes ago, skend04 said:

BoJo has been on the campaign trail for the last month with a free run in the media. It's inevitable he'll be still be higher in the polls. Especially when Kantar don't prompt for the Brexit Party in their polling. I'd say it's an outlier that one.

 

Definitely an outlier, especially when you consider the same poll has found support for a second referendum at 52% with 29% against, which is difficult to reconcile with those polling figures.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

It was inevitable. As if leavers would just accept Labour and the other parties conspiring to stop Brexit and put Jeremy Corbyn in number 10 as emergency PM. 

Voters don't  get to decide the interim PM.

[sir roger]

2 hours ago, Section_31 said:

 

My mate used to go to socialist party meetings in Liverpool about ten years ago and they used to have things like guest speakers who were distantly related to Che Guevara, then hold discussions about the need to forcibly nationalise the top FTSE companies. 

 

This is now the Labour party rank and file. It's a joke, and meanwhile people will quite literally die as the Tories become increasingly right wing and remain in place for the next five to ten years. 

Fuck me , Che Guevara had 460,000 odd relatives.

 

I think the assumption that Stay would hammer Leave in a re-run is a dangerous one mainly fostered by remainers generally being more prevalent in Parliament , TV newsrooms and in political discussions on forums such as this one, and if you are a remainer your friends are more likely to be of that persuasion. I am sure that there will have been leavers moving across but I don't think these will be a significant number. Even in Liverpool with its Remain-leaning populace it can be disheartening to see the Daily Mail flying off shelves , Taxi-drivers mouthing off about foreigners and Facebook can be a cess-pit.

[Boss]

16 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Voters don't  get to decide the interim PM.

 

Do you not think they should?

[Pidge]

Voters don't decide the PM full stop, we vote for MPs, not a president.

[Boss]

4 hours ago, Pidge said:

Voters don't decide the PM full stop, we vote for MPs, not a president.

 

They do, obviously. If a party gets enough MP's in the house their leader becomes the PM. The people vote in the PM - regardless of whatever spin you want to add to it.

[Duff Man]

No cunt voted for Ken fucking Clarke to be PM. I think we can all agree on that.

[Pidge]

2 hours ago, Boss said:

 

They do, obviously. If a party gets enough MP's in the house their leader becomes the PM. The people vote in the PM - regardless of whatever spin you want to add to it.

It's not spin it's the constitution.  The leader of the largest party gets to try to form a government, if they can't they might not get to be prime minister.  It's not down to the electorate alone.

 

I do agree that these things should go back to the electorate, but neither Boris nor his government have consent either.

[Barrington Womble]

6 minutes ago, Pidge said:

It's not spin it's the constitution.  The leader of the largest party gets to try to form a government, if they can't they might not get to be prime minister.  It's not down to the electorate alone.

 

I do agree that these things should go back to the electorate, but neither Boris nor his government have consent either.

And neither has any PM and government in my life time who've changed leaders like this midterm. There's a lot of things I'm unhappy about Johnson being PM, mostly him being an utter cunt who's going to take us to the brink of national crisis from a wholly non-mandated position on brexit. However, him actually becoming pm, as you say, is just how it is.  There's a lesson here. Don't vote Tory and you won't get cunts like Johnson running the country. 

[Pidge]

4 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

And neither has any PM and government in my life time who've changed leaders like this midterm. There's a lot of things I'm unhappy about Johnson being PM, mostly him being an utter cunt who's going to take us to the brink of national crisis from a wholly non-mandated position on brexit. However, him actually becoming pm, as you say, is just how it is.  There's a lesson here. Don't vote Tory and you won't get cunts like Johnson running the country.  

Quite. It just still rankles compared to the heat Brown got.

[Boss]

41 minutes ago, Pidge said:

It's not spin it's the constitution.  The leader of the largest party gets to try to form a government, if they can't they might not get to be prime minister.  It's not down to the electorate alone.

 

I do agree that these things should go back to the electorate, but neither Boris nor his government have consent either.

 

If it went back to the electorate Johnson will beat Corbyn. Corbyn will never be in power unless he takes it undemocratically.

[Mudface]

45 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

And neither has any PM and government in my life time who've changed leaders like this midterm. There's a lot of things I'm unhappy about Johnson being PM, mostly him being an utter cunt who's going to take us to the brink of national crisis from a wholly non-mandated position on brexit. However, him actually becoming pm, as you say, is just how it is.  There's a lesson here. Don't vote Tory or Lib Dem and you won't get cunts like Johnson running the country. 

Fixed.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 hours ago, Boss said:

 

Do you not think they should?

There's no way they could decide the interim PM, by definition. 

 

As it happens, I think the electorate should get to choose the leader of the executive, but that would entail a complete overhaul of UK national governance. As Pidge rightly says, we don't get to choose our Prime Minister.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Boss said:

 

They do, obviously. If a party gets enough MP's in the house their leader becomes the PM. The people vote in the PM - regardless of whatever spin you want to add to it.

3 of the last 4 Prime Ministers (Brown, May and Johnson) took power without a General Election. 

 

Literally nobody gets a vote to choose between the party leaders.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Pidge said:

Quite. It just still rankles compared to the heat Brown got.

... including from Johnson, the hypocritical cunt.

[Boss]

2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

3 of the last 4 Prime Ministers (Brown, May and Johnson) took power without a General Election. 

 

Literally nobody gets a vote to choose between the party leaders.

 

May legitimately won an election. Johnson hasn't been in post long enough to have one.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

May legitimately won an election. Johnson hasn't been in post long enough to have one.

I know. So what?

[Numero Veinticinco]

15 hours ago, Boss said:

 

They do, obviously. If a party gets enough MP's in the house their leader becomes the PM. The people vote in the PM - regardless of whatever spin you want to add to it.

Spin? You literally don't vote for them. Seeing it any other way is spinning it. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

14 hours ago, Boss said:

 

If it went back to the electorate Johnson will beat Corbyn. Corbyn will never be in power unless he takes it undemocratically.

I'm not convinced by the first sentence.  During an election campaign  (in the UK) reporting rules mean that the filter of media bias isn't so effective: this will both harm Johnson and benefit Corbyn.

 

I'm intrigued by your second sentence.  What have you got in mind? Corbyn leading a military coup (maybe by calling in some favours from his pals in the IRA, Hamas, the Czechoslovakian secret police, etc.)?

[Barrington Womble]

2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I'm not convinced by the first sentence.  During an election campaign  (in the UK) reporting rules mean that the filter of media bias isn't so effective: this will both harm Johnson and benefit Corbyn.

 

I'm intrigued by your second sentence.  What have you got in mind? Corbyn leading a military coup (maybe by calling in some favours from his pals in the IRA, Hamas, the Czechoslovakian secret police, etc.)?

it won't stop kuenssberg getting moist every night over johnson though, it is quite insne listening to how excited she gets talking about him. I think a very large proportion of our voters (and especially the middle ground swing voters) get their news from the bbc. that was the benefit in the last election, May pissed Kuenssberg off with the restrictive way she was dealing with the media and her pro-tory tone and bias dropped almost immediately. Johson won't do that, he will probably even let her ruffle his hair before interviews. 

[Boss]

3 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I'm intrigued by your second sentence.  What have you got in mind? Corbyn leading a military coup (maybe by calling in some favours from his pals in the IRA, Hamas, the Czechoslovakian secret police, etc.)?

 

McDonnell and co trying to get him in as emergency PM after a no confidence vote.

[Boss]

5 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Spin? You literally don't vote for them. Seeing it any other way is spinning it. 

That'd only work if everyone knows their local MP and votes specifically on that basis. We all know the vast majority of people vote on the basis of who the leader is. Hence why the likes of Berger and Umunna got in.

[moof]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

 

McDonnell and co trying to get him in as emergency PM after a no confidence vote.

That’s the opposite of undemocratic