Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Pidge]

We comparing a fella who went to a Polytechnic to the Eton/Oxbridge lads, yeah?

 

Sound.

[moof]

It’s such a tired pastiche of criticism of the “left” going back decades. “Champagne socialist” and bullshit like that, discrediting people who provide a voice for the voiceless on the basis that they’re hypocrites for having a decent standard of life - ignoring that the only way things can ever improve for the masses living in poverty and destitution is by having these advocates, like Corbyn, to fight for them. If everybody born of wealth and privilege was a Tory then we would have never advanced beyond feudalism. 

[Strontium]

Of course Corbyn growing up in a mansion and being privately educated is irrelevant. The problem is that the left has been routinely making a virtue out of a modest upbringing for years, and asserting that the likes of Cameron/Clegg/Osborne etc cannot possibly grasp issues that affect the poor due to their relatively privileged backgrounds. It was a nonsensical argument then, and it's still a nonsensical argument now, when being deployed the other way.

[Bjornebye]

13 minutes ago, A Red said:

Try reading the post again, but do it slowly. I said he went travelling around South America. I think your reading is distorted.

 

Corbyn wouldnt be in that picture would he? He was about 15 years older and didnt go to University.

 

Comparisons were being made of Corbyns and Johnsons backgrounds, I was merely adding to that. Where was i wrong?

"He then went travelling for 2 years round South America, how did he afford that?"

 

You wrote that line. I have questioned it. The only distorted one here is you now stop digging a deeper hole and just admit that you were/are chatting shite. 

[moof]

1 minute ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

Of course Corbyn growing up in a mansion and being privately educated is irrelevant. The problem is that the left has been routinely making a virtue out of a modest upbringing for years, and asserting that the likes of Cameron/Clegg/Osborne etc cannot possibly grasp issues that affect the poor due to their relatively privileged backgrounds. It was a nonsensical argument then, and it's still a nonsensical argument now, when being deployed the other way.

It’s not about ability to grasp these issues, I’m sure they could if they put their mind to it - they are relatively competent, intelligence wise. It’s the fact that they are sociopaths and so don’t give a solitary fuck about the issues that affect the poor. 

[A Red]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

"He then went travelling for 2 years round South America, how did he afford that?"

 

You wrote that line. I have questioned it. The only distorted one here is you now stop digging a deeper hole and just admit that you were/are chatting shite. 

Right lets keep it there. Yes I said that, totally agree, no argument from me. You might think im a cunt for asking, you may well be right but how am i digging a deeper hole? Where have i gone back or changed anything?

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, A Red said:

Right lets keep it there. Yes I said that, totally agree, no argument from me. You might think im a cunt for asking, you may well be right but how am i digging a deeper hole? Where have i gone back or changed anything?

You said he went travelling round South America for 2 years. I picked you up on it and pointed out that he went doing volunteering work in Jamaica. You then claimed to have known that.

 

Why did you say he went 'travelling' when he was actually doing volunteer work? 

[A Red]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

You said he went travelling round South America for 2 years. I picked you up on it and pointed out that he went doing volunteering work in Jamaica. You then claimed to have known that.

 

Why did you say he went 'travelling' when he was actually doing volunteer work? 

Right now we're getting somewhere.

 

He was doing pocket money paid VSO work in Jamaica thats right, that is separate. I didnt bother at that point to ask about airfares or how he managed to get on a VSO thing when it was for University graduates and he wasnt one.  I asked about what he did after, which was to go travelling (not VSO) in South America. Go read wikipedia as i suggested then get your shine box.

 

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, A Red said:

Right now we're getting somewhere.

 

He was doing pocket money paid VSO work in Jamaica thats right, that is separate. I didnt bother at that point to ask about airfares or how he managed to get on a VSO thing when it was for University graduates and he wasnt one.  I asked about what he did after, which was to go travelling (not VSO) in South America. Go read wikipedia as i suggested then get your shine box.

 

Ok A Red. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Who's fucking arsed? 

[magicrat]

5 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Momentum had thousands of people on the phones and on the knocker in 2017, working for candidates who despise them. I'm pretty sure the party could pull together for an election now that the worst of the rubbish has taken itself out.

Would Corbyn entertain some sort of interim unity government that didn't have him as PM ?

I think that's what it would take now to prevent Johnson tipping us over the cliff.  It's also the best way of ousting the Tories in the election that will follow as Farridge will split their vote.

[moof]

8 minutes ago, magicrat said:

Would Corbyn entertain some sort of interim unity government that didn't have him as PM ?

I think that's what it would take now to prevent Johnson tipping us over the cliff.  It's also the best way of ousting the Tories in the election that will follow as Farridge will split their vote.

What are you basing this on?

 

firstly, why would Corbyn accept an undemocratic “unity government” that supplants him as next prime minister this undermining his entire project? Why would a unity government be anything other than a vehicle for more of the same stale politics that got us into this situation? Thirdly, the far right could not possibly devise of a better plan to garner support for their agenda than such an obvious power grab by undemocratic means. Fourthly, who would lead this lunatic government? 

[magicrat]

Just now, moof said:

What are you basing this on?

 

firstly, why would Corbyn accept an undemocratic “unity government” that supplants him as next prime minister this undermining his entire project? Why would a unity government be anything other than a vehicle for more of the same stale politics that got us into this situation? Thirdly, the far right could not possibly devise of a better plan to garner support for their agenda than such an obvious power grab by undemocratic means. Fourthly, who would lead this lunatic government? 

Clearly Corbyn wouldn't step aside to allow Parliament to take control of the agenda and instruct Johnson to go a for an extension whilst we have a GE. Without that can you see the Tory rebels getting on board.

 

Whats more undemocratic than the power grab by the extreme right ffs.  It's party above all else that initiated Brexit, sustained it and will now deliver the harshest form at the end of October. Far from stale politics it would be a breath of fresh if politicians came together and worked to stop it . It's naive of course to expect anything better from the self serving bunch of spineless shitbags which mostly inhabit the Commons

[moof]

2 minutes ago, magicrat said:

Clearly Corbyn wouldn't step aside to allow Parliament to take control of the agenda and instruct Johnson to go a for an extension whilst we have a GE. Without that can you see the Tory rebels getting on board.

 

Whats more undemocratic than the power grab by the extreme right ffs.  It's party above all else that initiated Brexit, sustained it and will now deliver the harshest form at the end of October. Far from stale politics it would be a breath of fresh if politicians came together and worked to stop it . It's naive of course to expect anything better from the self serving bunch of spineless shitbags which mostly inhabit the Commons

I mean no disrespect, but this national unity government is the most incoherent, milquetoast liberal idea I’ve ever heard. There’s no conceivable way for it to work.

[Duff Man]

Yes but Caroline Lucas and ten other female MPs just taking over! Just... because!

[TheHowieLama]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

What differentiates Corbyn from Cameron and Johnson isn't so much whether their parents were wealthy when they were children, but how they've chosen to live as adults. 

Haven't they both chosen to become exceedingly wealthy through a lifetime as "elected officials"?

 

Does that help the public - should it be a lifetime gig?

[Scooby Dudek]

1 minute ago, TheHowieLama said:

Haven't they both chosen to become exceedingly wealthy through a lifetime as "elected officials"?

 

Does that help the public - should it be a lifetime gig?

Only one of them believes in mandatory reselection as far as I can tell.

[magicrat]

10 minutes ago, moof said:

I mean no disrespect, but this national unity government is the most incoherent, milquetoast liberal idea I’ve ever heard. There’s no conceivable way for it to work.

I don't think it will work either which is what's so depressing 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Haven't they both chosen to become exceedingly wealthy through a lifetime as "elected officials"?

 

Does that help the public - should it be a lifetime gig?

But Corbyn went to the Bondville Model Village in Bridlington with his parents when he was younger. The entitled twat.

 

Burn labour. Hooray for self-serving racist shithouses! 

[TheBitch]

I want to go to South America and get fucked off my face on Columbia’s finest marching powder in a favela and I don’t know whether I’m a Tory or a Corbynite now. This thread has really thrown me. 

[TheHowieLama]

1 minute ago, TheBitch said:

I want to go to South America and get fucked off my face on Columbia’s finest marching powder in a favela and I don’t know whether I’m a Tory or a Corbynite now. This thread has really thrown me. 

You're a brit either way there fella, they don't care.

[TheHowieLama]

I am wondering if the sophomoric answers to the employment history, and by default the term limit issue are a cover for a lack of quality elsewhere in the party. We have the same issue here with Biden (another fella with a career of about 3 years before getting onboard  the gubment gravy train) -- far too much baggage and really, a stone cold insider. A profiteer. The guy who you know is not going to change much.

 

Certainly a 70 year old fella, with near 50 in the system is not leading a revolution of any kind.

Seems weird suggesting that anything to do with a progressive/socialist agenda should be attributed to "his project". Bit of a house of cards then innit?

 

[A Red]

24 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

But Corbyn went to the Bondville Model Village in Bridlington with his parents when he was younger. The entitled twat.

 

Burn labour. Hooray for self-serving racist shithouses! 

Did you get your shine box?

[Bjornebye]

11 minutes ago, A Red said:

Did you get your shine box?

Oklahoma kid. That's me. I'm the Oklahoma kid. You fuckin' varmint! Dance. Dance. YAHOO, YA MOTHERFUCKER! 

[moof]

30 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I am wondering if the sophomoric answers to the employment history, and by default the term limit issue are a cover for a lack of quality elsewhere in the party. We have the same issue here with Biden (another fella with a career of about 3 years before getting onboard  the gubment gravy train) -- far too much baggage and really, a stone cold insider. A profiteer. The guy who you know is not going to change much.

 

Certainly a 70 year old fella, with near 50 in the system is not leading a revolution of any kind.

Seems weird suggesting that anything to do with a progressive/socialist agenda should be attributed to "his project". Bit of a house of cards then innit?

 

Erm... what