Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

So, the ride wasn’t a problem. It was racists being racists that was the problem. 

 

“Officials told organisers there was a risk speakers might express views which contradicted the council’s policies on community cohesion and equality”

 

 

Where is there any evidence - or even grounds for suspicion - of racism?

 

Nobody is claiming that the IHRA has outlawed bicycles.  Nobody is pretending that the ride was a problem. 

 

The problem is the "electric fence" effect of the IHRA Working Definition;  that council officials saw that it was a pro-Palestinian event and (ignoring the actual wording of the IHRA document) acted as though criticism of the Israeli government is inherently anti-Semitic. 

[sir roger]

20 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Where is there any evidence - or even grounds for suspicion - of racism?

 

Nobody is claiming that the IHRA has outlawed bicycles.  Nobody is pretending that the ride was a problem. 

 

The problem is the "electric fence" effect of the IHRA Working Definition;  that council officials saw that it was a pro-Palestinian event and (ignoring the actual wording of the IHRA document) acted as though criticism of the Israeli government is inherently anti-Semitic. 

I assumed that to the likes of LFI & the Jewish Chronicle that was the whole point.

[Red Phoenix]

3 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

That’s exactly the fucking same thing.  

Yeah, sure it is. Where the racists being racists in either?

[aRdja]

15 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Genuine question. But that stuff in the echo this week about the Liverpool Lord mayor posting something about monkeys and black people, why wasn't that Corbyn's fault but anything antisimetic is?

 

How come said mayor wasn't part of Corbyn's vile racist troll army?

Not for the lack of effort from the right.

 

 

[Vincent Vega]

45 seats the Tories currently hold that have a smaller majority than they had in Brecon & Radnorshire and also voted Remain in the referendum. I’d say that whilst Johnson and his current no deal plans may win the Tories a few extra seats, they risk losing more to Labour, the Lib Dem’s and the SNP.

 

 

[aRdja]

 

Corbyn is a full on white supremacist now according the right.

[Jairzinho]

Dan Hodges though.

 

 

[Pureblood]

Unusual to see someone posting incendiary bullshit on twitter. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, viRdjil said:

Not for the lack of effort from the right.

 

 

I'm still angry that Twitter suspended me for calling this lying cunt a lying cunt.  Seriously, I could defend that in a court of law, by presenting this as evidence that Hodges is (a) lying and (b) a cunt.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

Dan Hodges though.

I actually couldn't get through the article. It's poorly written and far too obvious in its bullshit. Also, he does realise which paper he's writing for, right? 

[Jairzinho]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I actually couldn't get through the article. It's poorly written and far too obvious in its bullshit. Also, he does realise which paper he's writing for, right? 

He seems to be slightly deranged. 

 

It's actually reasonably impressive the levels of cuntery he achieves. A truly abysmal human being.

[Anubis]

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[Sugar Ape]

Crazy that his mum is Glenda Jackson. 

 

 

[Dr Nowt]

Just remembered her Thatcher speech with a warm glow.

[Vincent Vega]

I think he’s just realised that the money is better writing for a right wing readership and telling them what they want to hear. Rod Liddle did the same trick. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

What a strange article/study. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/04/labour-antisemitism-twitter-tom-watson-rachel-riley

Twitter accounts at heart of Labour antisemitism battle, says report

Report for Community Security Trust unearths 36 accounts pushing pro-Corbyn messages

Jamie Doward

Sun 4 Aug 2019 06.08 BSTFirst published on Sun 4 Aug 2019 06.00 BST

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Researchers say they have identified 36 key pro-Labour Twitter accounts being used to dismiss claims of antisemitism levelled against the party.

Their claim is based on a trawl of four years’ worth of tweets sent by the accounts that have pushed pro-Jeremy Corbyn and pro-Labour social media messages under Twitter hashtags such as #GTTO – Get The Tories Out.

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Their report, “Engine of hate, the online networks behind the Labour party’s antisemitism crisis”, has been produced for the CommunitySecurity Trust, a charity that protects British Jews from antisemitism.

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It found that the accounts have tweeted content claiming that allegations of antisemitism in the party are “exaggerated, weaponised, invented or blown out of proportion, or that Labour and Corbyn are victims of a smear campaign relating to antisemitism”.

All were connected to Twitter networks that have used hashtag campaigns to attack MPs or public figures who have raised concerns about antisemitism and Labour. These include #BoycottRachelRiley, which targeted the Countdownpresenter who has spoken out on the issue, and #SackTomWatson, which focuses on the party’s deputy leader.

 

 One of the Twitter networks focuses on the Labour deputy leader Tom Watson. Photograph: Luke Dray/Getty Images

“This report points to a deeply troubling online culture where antisemitic narratives have been allowed to take root,” Watson said.

“I hope this intelligence is shared with the investigators at Labour HQ so that they can explain to the dominant faction that control our party’s national executive how a small group of prolific social media users can influence our internal discussions if they are not called out or dealt with swiftly.”

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The tweets were examined by a data analysis firm, Signify, that found some of the accounts had changed their position during the four years. A third had themselves tweeted antisemitic content. Nine were deleted between the research for the report and its publication.

One popular pro-Corbyn account, @SocialistVoice, has more than 66,000 followers on Twitter. The account holder, Scott Nelson, was expelled from Labour for a series of tweets including one that displayed an image of an Israeli flag peeling away to reveal a swastika, something for which he later apologised.

Another account, @otivar55, has accused Labour moderates of being controlled by the Israeli embassy. A third, @WarmongerHodges, has labelled Riley “unhinged” and “deranged” for criticising Corbyn.

“These are Labour’s social media cheerleaders,” said a CST spokesman. “Our report reveals how they set the tone and drive the vitriol on social media, attacking anyone who criticises the party’s appalling failure to deal with its antisemitism problem.”

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Joe Glasman, head of political and government investigations at Campaign Against Antisemitism, described the report as disturbing, yet unsurprising.

“Prominent Labour party figures and rank-and-file members and supporters have long been denying the antisemitism crisis in Labour by claiming that Labour and Jeremy Corbyn are victims of a smear campaign. Labour’s outriders on social media have been fuelling this and meting out appalling abuse to those who stand up against antisemitism.”

A number of key Twitter accounts run by Labour activists and supporters – some of which are significantly more influential than those identified in the report – have used social media to successfully challenge antisemitism.

In addition, several of those behind accounts that have tweeted offensive comments have apologised for their actions and helped educate others on the threat of antisemitism.

“A small number of accounts are identified, some of which are not Labour members or supporters, and others have been expelled or suspended,” a party spokeswoman said.

“The analysis does not look at pro-Labour social media as a whole, and therefore does not include the main Labour-supporting accounts that actively call out such bigotry. We stand in solidarity with Jewish communities, and are committed to rooting out antisemitism from our party and wider society.”

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This article was amended on 4 August 2019. In an earlier version of the story we misnamed the Community Security Trust as the Community Service Trust. This has been corrected.

 

[Jairzinho]

No-one is buying it or cares.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

So, saying that people like Hodge and Hodges or any of those twats who talk about "existential threats" are exaggerating is now an anti-Semitic act?

 

It really is a textbook witch-hunt and it hampers genuine efforts to fight anti-Semitism, both in Labour and in the wider society.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I hate the way these cunts work.  Some gobby twat from the anti-Labour wing of the PLP will say some shit about the party being riddled with Nazis from top to bottom.  Some Corbyn supporters will point out that, while anti-Semitism exists in the party and must be driven out, it's not as bad as other parties and Labour is doing more to combat it than other parties. The gobby cunt then shouts "they're denying anti-Semitism exists; they must be anti-Semitic themselves".

[Rico1304]

3 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I hate the way these cunts work.  Some gobby twat from the anti-Labour wing of the PLP will say some shit about the party being riddled with Nazis from top to bottom.  Some Corbyn supporters will point out that, while anti-Semitism exists in the party and must be driven out, it's not as bad as other parties and Labour is doing more to combat it than other parties. The gobby cunt then shouts "they're denying anti-Semitism exists; they must be anti-Semitic themselves".

Why even mention other parties? You lot have claimed the moral high ground and the reaction to challenge is telling.  

[TheHowieLama]

3 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I hate the way these cunts work.  Some gobby twat from the anti-Labour wing of the PLP will say some shit about the party being riddled with Nazis from top to bottom.  Some Corbyn supporters will point out that, while anti-Semitism exists in the party and must be driven out, it's not as bad as other parties and Labour is doing more to combat it than other parties. The gobby cunt then shouts "they're denying anti-Semitism exists; they must be anti-Semitic themselves".

Yeah -- massive shortcoming on either side of the pond -- reactionary positioning always ends up one step behind.

It shouldn't be so difficult to create a solid platform to start from but the inability to dictate the message has been a problem. That and the notion that every shout is worthy of a reaction.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Why even mention other parties? You lot have claimed the moral high ground and the reaction to challenge is telling.  

The fuck?

 

You know the phrase "Labour anti-Semitism crisis"? Of course you do. Because every cunt frames discussionof anti-Semitism in that way; as though anti-Semitism is specific to one party. How do you challenge that false narrative without mentioning other parties?

 

(I can't comment on your second sentence, because I genuinely haven't got a balls notion what you're on about. )

[Red Phoenix]

One of the best and most simple things I saw on twitter that sums this whole thing up was simply :

 

"It's not about facts."

 

There's Tories and loads of other right wingers and centrists that might accept this has been a load of bullshit from the off but they'll never ever admit it, because they completely fucking love the fact that it's Corbyn that this is happening to.

 

So trying to argue this with logic half the time doesn't even register. Corbyn's being smeared, it's damaging him and that's all that matters. Best to keep quiet about how they really see it and play along.

[Rico1304]

30 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

One of the best and most simple things I saw on twitter that sums this whole thing up was simply :

 

"It's not about facts."

 

There's Tories and loads of other right wingers and centrists that might accept this has been a load of bullshit from the off but they'll never ever admit it, because they completely fucking love the fact that it's Corbyn that this is happening to.

 

So trying to argue this with logic half the time doesn't even register. Corbyn's being smeared, it's damaging him and that's all that matters. Best to keep quiet about how they really see it and play along.

He was an irrelevance 4 yrs ago.  This conspiracy soon...oh sorry, forgot who I was responding to.  

[Gnasher]

On rail privatisation.

 

Nearly 2 billion rail journeys were taken in britain last year. It's reasonable to assume it would be a lot more if rural services were restored, prices were fair and services were improved. 

 

An effective and efficient transport system would also help boost the economy because of the increased job opportunities reliable and affordable rail travel would bring to commuters up and down the country.

 

Add in the benefits to the environment of rail travel compered to most other forms of transport and Corbyn is right to make Rail and Energy privatisation a priority. 

 

 

https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/popular-statistics/how-many-people-use-the-railway/