Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Rico1304]

11 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I actually agree with that. Whether it was a rhetorical flourish or a slip of the tongue, it doesn’t undermine his main point.

 

(The facts that anti-Semitism is rare in the Labour Party and gets stomped on wherever it is found are what undermine his main point. )

You need to read the memo. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

You need to read the memo. 

Nobody has sent me a memo.

 

Those tweets that someone claims are from the Leader's office suggest that people respond to Panorama with facts and not personal attacks; coincidentally, that's the tenor of my post about Darzi.

 

So... what is your point?

[Moo]

15 minutes in and what stands out most is bad teeth.  The rest of it nothing new, 45 minutes to go though plenty of time. 

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

15 minutes into this BBC thing and it's really bad. Unsubstantiated claims and a desperate narrative of trying to shoehorn anti-Zionism (the new, bastardised Zionism) as amounting to antisemitism. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

And here's lying Louise. Of course, the Beeb won't qualify her interview with a statement to make viewers aware that she's a confirmed liar when it comes to Corbyn and antisemitism. 

[Pureblood]

Stronts has uploaded his reaction to this on youtube.

 

[Strontium]

Boy yeah. Imagine what my reaction will be if I actually watch it.

[Bjornebye]

More 'truth' getting in the way of actual truth? Of course he won't watch it. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

[Red Phoenix]

Wouldn't be surprised if the BBC are well aware of how bad this hatchet job is. I don't think they'll be bothered though, they've reached such levels of desperation that maybe the main hope is that in simply airing it they'll make some more people turn away from Labour and make Corbyn's position weaker.

 

It's not like losing some legal action or pretending they made some mistakes is going to do much after the program has already been broadcast.

 

BBC are at least in part, a state-backed propaganda outlet, and the state wants Corbyn gone because of his socialism, anti-war stance, support for Palestine and so on. Maybe this will damage the BBC for years to come as well. There's only a certain point you can take things before it's been pushed too far and the sham really starts falling apart, maybe we're about at that point with this crap now that the BBC are doing panorama propaganda specials.

 

This could all start backfiring to a really amazing extent now.

[moof]

Aye the bbc don’t give a shit. They’re in the business of manufacturing consent. 

 

Did anyone on here watch it? 

[Section_31]

Labour press Twitter account was hacked. 

 

 

 

 

[moof]

Is there still anyone out there with the balls to claim this isn’t a politically motivated smear?

[Section_31]

Flowers By Irene.

[sir roger]

As a work colleague used to memorably say , it was a damp squid really. 

 

Probably owe the Ware guy a partial apology as it wasn't as bad as I expected and Labour were given some right of reply and Gwynne's appearance. The whole programme just seemed really unfocused and poorly put together whizzing from subject to subject and rarely satisfactorily explaining or finishing each before moving on. Quite a few mentions of bad behaviour in meetings but no mention of whether complaints were ever made and any outcome.

 

Overall seemed very weak and very few new cases mentioned , felt almost sorry for the interviewer when after grandstanding about Jackie Walker for 5 minutes he sort of muttered under his breath that she was actually thrown out as recommended. Was surprised they used the old Livingstone stuff as that was totally on MacNicol's disciplinary watch and fairly ancient history ( Can't have been the only person wanting to see Ken twat John Mann down those stairs ) . The fact that recent evidence suggests that MacNicol was involved in shaping disciplinary results made it a bit galling watching the smug cunt smirking about the possibility of him ever doing that.

 

Thought the Statue of Liberty photo girl should have been thrown out toot-suite & would have liked to have heard what happened to the guy who did the 45 minute video of the Jewish lad as that sounded awful , but it just seemed to move on.

 

The Labour head office people were obviously pissed off that their clique had been broken up and a lot of us have been in similar positions where a new boss has come into a new workplace and everything changes. There are a few places and ex-colleagues I would love to have a moan about on prime time tv and they took that opportunity , but I never felt a single one raised any specific points that really hit home and it would have been interesting to see them asked which of these 'disrespected for no reason' employees allegedly helped change the door access codes on the day of Corbyn's victory to delay their entry while they shredded hundreds of files and emails. Probably very unfairly whenever I watched that Kit woman I kept thinking of Mooks old boss for some reason.

 

 

Overall I doubt it will hardly change a single mind on either side of the divide.

 

 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I've recorded it, but not watched it. Should I bother? Or do the revelations add up to "people who don't like Corbyn don't like Corbyn"?

[sir roger]

2 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I've recorded it, but not watched it. Should I bother? Or do the revelations add up to "people who don't like Corbyn don't like Corbyn"?

Not far out AoT but as I have said above my blood pressure hasn't gone off the scale as I feared it would.

[Scooby Dudek]

Ken Livingstone

Jackie Walker

Mural

Stuff said about Israeli state

 

 

Proves to me the 2019 Labour party is anti Semitic  

 

Dave Rich, as announced by unbiased BBC:  Author: The Left's Jewish Problem

 

However full title of his book;

The Left's Jewish Problem: Jeremy Corbyn, Israel and Anti-Semitism  

So totally independent 

https://www.adl.org/dr._dave_rich

 

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

The first person on the program was Ella Rose apparently, who's on camera in part 1 of Al Jazeera's The Lobby admitting that she worked at the Israeli embassy with Shai Masot. Kind of tells me all I need to know really. Total propaganda.

[Scooby Dudek]

29 minutes ago, sir roger said:

As a work colleague used to memorably say , it was a damp squid really. 

 

Probably owe the Ware guy a partial apology as it wasn't as bad as I expected and Labour were given some right of reply and Gwynne's appearance. The whole programme just seemed really unfocused and poorly put together whizzing from subject to subject and rarely satisfactorily explaining or finishing each before moving on. Quite a few mentions of bad behaviour in meetings but no mention of whether complaints were ever made and any outcome.

 

Overall seemed very weak and very few new cases mentioned , felt almost sorry for the interviewer when after grandstanding about Jackie Walker for 5 minutes he sort of muttered under his breath that she was actually thrown out as recommended. Was surprised they used the old Livingstone stuff as that was totally on MacNicol's disciplinary watch and fairly ancient history ( Can't have been the only person wanting to see Ken twat John Mann down those stairs ) . The fact that recent evidence suggests that MacNicol was involved in shaping disciplinary results made it a bit galling watching the smug cunt smirking about the possibility of him ever doing that.

 

Thought the Statue of Liberty photo girl should have been thrown out toot-suite & would have liked to have heard what happened to the guy who did the 45 minute video of the Jewish lad as that sounded awful , but it just seemed to move on.

 

The Labour head office people were obviously pissed off that their clique had been broken up and a lot of us have been in similar positions where a new boss has come into a new workplace and everything changes. There are a few places and ex-colleagues I would love to have a moan about on prime time tv and they took that opportunity , but I never felt a single one raised any specific points that really hit home and it would have been interesting to see them asked which of these 'disrespected for no reason' employees allegedly helped change the door access codes on the day of Corbyn's victory to delay their entry while they shredded hundreds of files and emails. Probably very unfairly whenever I watched that Kit woman I kept thinking of Moofs boss for some reason.

 

 

Overall I doubt it will hardly change a single mind on either side of the divide.

 

 

 

 

Agree with most of this, I believe the fact is was badly put together, unfocused and used a lot of old, well known stuff confirms (for me anyway) that is was a hatchet job. 

I also would have liked to have known that outcome of the cases involving the individuals on the program, who obviously suffered abuse. Being a cynic, I would assume these people were expelled/suspended, but this wasn't mentioned as it would have gone against the narrative of the program.

[Scooby Dudek]

11 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

The first person on the program was Ella Rose apparently, who's on camera in part 1 of Al Jazeera's The Lobby admitting that she worked at the Israeli embassy with Shai Masot. Kind of tells me all I need to know really. Total propaganda.

Disclaimer: I have no idea who THE ELECTRONIC INTIFADA are;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electronic_Intifada

 

 

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/jewish-labour-movement-worked-israeli-embassy-spy

 

The Jewish Labour Movement acted as a proxy for the Israeli embassy, a document obtained by The Electronic Intifada reveals.

“We work with Shai, we know him very well,” the group’s director Ella Rose admitted to an undercover reporter in 2016, a transcript of the conversation shows.

Shai Masot was the Israeli embassy spy forced out of the UK after an undercover Al Jazeera investigation last year exposed him plotting to “take down” a senior UK government minister.

In a transcript of a conversation Rose had with an Al Jazeera reporter who was using the pseudonym “Robin,” Rose admits to working closely with Masot both before and after she was appointed executive director of the Jewish Labour Movement.

The transcript contains material that was not broadcast as part of Al Jazeera’s January 2017 film The Lobbywhich exposed Masot and cast light on the activities of pro-Israel groups in the UK.

The transcript reveals that the Jewish Labour Movement brought an Israeli delegation to the 2016 Labour Party conference on behalf of the embassy.

The delegation was presented as a group of young, left-wing Israeli activists.

But the day after the conference closed, a report in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz alleged that Israeli agents had been “operating British Jewish organizations” in a way that could “put them in violation of British law.”

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Twitter's on fire with excitable ravings - the 280-character equivalent of John Mann shouting at Ken Livingstone - the gist of which is that we now have definitive, unanswerable proof that Corbyn is a Nazi and so are all the members of his cult.

 

That reaction doesn't seem to square with what I'm reading here.

[Rico1304]

The hack on the Labour Party Press Twitter was kind of funny. 

 

 

[aRdja]

13 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Twitter's on fire with excitable ravings - the 280-character equivalent of John Mann shouting at Ken Livingstone - the gist of which is that we now have definitive, unanswerable proof that Corbyn is a Nazi and so are all the members of his cult.

 

That reaction doesn't seem to square with what I'm reading here.

I don’t think there’s actually anyone who genuinely believes Jeremy Corbyn is anti-semitic mate.

[Scooby Dudek]

8 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

I don’t think there’s actually anyone who genuinely believes Jeremy Corbyn is anti-semitic mate.

https://www.jta.org/2019/07/10/global/bbc-airs-expose-accusing-jeremy-corbyns-team-of-shielding-anti-semites

 

The Board of Deputies of British Jews in a statement wrote that Panorama shows that Corbyn and his allies “are personally responsible for having turned a once-great, anti-racist party into a cesspit of antisemitism.”

To the Campaign Against Antisemitism, a nonprofit, “The charade of Jeremy Corbyn as an anti-racist activist has been blown apart. Mr Corbyn’s support for antisemites and his team’s protection of antisemites demonstrate that Mr Corbyn himself is an antisemite who is unfit to hold any public office,” its chief executive, Gideon Falter, wrote.