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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?


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  1. 1. Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?



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21 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

Chris Williamson tried the first method, and look at whats happened to him. Even if he offered up psuedo aologies the press would just twist it into something else. Its a lose lose situation, which is exactly what the opposition to Corbyn want.

Here's the thing for me, I don't think anyone from the 80s left of the party will ever get a fair crack off the electorate and I don't think they will win enough seats to win a general election. 

19 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Nah most of the young'uns are too lightweight. Starmer or Thornbury I reckon. 

 

Although my spell check just briefly changed Starmer to Shatner. What a world that would be.

I've always thought Barry Gardiner has done well both with the press and on the floor in the commons. 

18 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Keir is far and away the best candidate. He’s fucking bright, charismatic and well respected across the parties. 

I watched a brexit WebEx he did the other day. He was shite and must be still picking splinters out of his arse. I think he's done well on brexit in the commons, but his lack of ability to drive the leadership of the party into taking a brexit position suggests to me he's very far from capable of being a man to run the country. 

17 hours ago, lifetime fan said:

 

I don’t care who Starmer is enemies with. He’s spoken more sense on Brexit than anyone in the party. 

As I say above, what use is that when the party doesn't have a real strategy outside of not upsetting leave voting labour constituencies? He needs to drive the labour leadership to a position. Just this week he's even unable to say what position labour would put themselves if an election was called tomorrow. That's not some question from Marr or something broadcast nationally, it's from a labour driven session for members supposedly getting answers to key questions. He didn't say a fucking thing that's not in the public domain already. I get he feeling he's just a labour Jeremy Hunt. 

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1 hour ago, Barry Wom said:

As I say above, what use is that when the party doesn't have a real strategy outside of not upsetting leave voting labour constituencies? He needs to drive the labour leadership to a position. Just this week he's even unable to say what position labour would put themselves if an election was called tomorrow. That's not some question from Marr or something broadcast nationally, it's from a labour driven session for members supposedly getting answers to key questions. He didn't say a fucking thing that's not in the public domain already. I get he feeling he's just a labour Jeremy Hunt. 

 

He’s been doing an impossible job and following policy decided and agreed by the party and leadership. 

 

I completely disagree with that policy the same as you do mate but he’s the only one that’s managed to even remotely sound articulate on the subject. He’s also done more to hold the government to account on this than anyone else within the party. 

 

I voted for Corbyn twice, the Labour Party for me should be a socialist party and I want a socialist leader, government and PM.

 

But I’m at a stage where I accept that isn’t possible so I want the best possible leader that can actually get elected. 

 

Starmer wears a suit well, he’s a QC, human rights lawyer, has a decent voting record, is articulate and intelligent, is able to minimise the poisonous bullshit the right wing press will always throw at the Labour Party and could actually win a GE. 

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28 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

 

He’s been doing an impossible job and following policy decided and agreed by the party and leadership. 

 

I completely disagree with that policy the same as you do mate but he’s the only one that’s managed to even remotely sound articulate on the subject. He’s also done more to hold the government to account on this than anyone else within the party. 

 

I voted for Corbyn twice, the Labour Party for me should be a socialist party and I want a socialist leader, government and PM.

 

But I’m at a stage where I accept that isn’t possible so I want the best possible leader that can actually get elected. 

 

Starmer wears a suit well, he’s a QC, human rights lawyer, has a decent voting record, is articulate and intelligent, is able to minimise the poisonous bullshit the right wing press will always throw at the Labour Party and could actually win a GE. 

The right wing press make shit up and throw it at the party leadership, they did it with Red Ed Milband, whose father hated Britain, they are doing it excessively with Corbyn because he is more anti establishment and they will do it with the next leader, whoever that is. 

Maybe Starmer will be better at handling the press but irrespective the press will have their agenda and just follow it.

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10 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

The right wing press make shit up and throw it at the party leadership, they did it with Red Ed Milband, whose father hated Britain, they are doing it excessively with Corbyn because he is more anti establishment and they will do it with the next leader, whoever that is. 

Maybe Starmer will be better at handling the press but irrespective the press will have their agenda and just follow it.

 

I completely agree mate, my point is he’d be able to minimise it, not stop it. 

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14 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

 

I completely agree mate, my point is he’d be able to minimise it, not stop it. 

The only way he’d be able to minimise it is if he suited their interests. And if he suits their interests, he’s of little use to us as leader. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, lifetime fan said:

 

He’s been doing an impossible job and following policy decided and agreed by the party and leadership. 

 

I completely disagree with that policy the same as you do mate but he’s the only one that’s managed to even remotely sound articulate on the subject. He’s also done more to hold the government to account on this than anyone else within the party. 

 

I voted for Corbyn twice, the Labour Party for me should be a socialist party and I want a socialist leader, government and PM.

 

But I’m at a stage where I accept that isn’t possible so I want the best possible leader that can actually get elected. 

 

Starmer wears a suit well, he’s a QC, human rights lawyer, has a decent voting record, is articulate and intelligent, is able to minimise the poisonous bullshit the right wing press will always throw at the Labour Party and could actually win a GE. 

So here's my worry. You say he's done the best job of holding this government to account, yet labour aren't taking advantage of the mess we're in. He's the leader of the brexit message from labour. I believe labour are not taking advantage because he's not held his own party to account for this non-position on brexit. They've sat on the fence for 2 years and it can't go on. There's every chance we will see a GE this year and before brexit is done and labour absolutely has to be in a position to win and they won't do that on the fence over brexit. 

 

I agree with your bit at the end that he wears a suit well and I think he has more chance of getting labour elected than Corbyn, but I am not sure about his ability to pull the party back together. Because that's what we need. It's all well and good bitching about the right of the PLP, but the reality is they're there and exist. And on brexit I think Corbyn has gone against the membership or at least fucked about enough to make it look that way. He doesn't agree with the membership, so he's doing all he can to fuck that position. I think the Tories can win elections when they're split and dysfunctional, I don't think labour has that privilege and can only be voted in when they're united and  don't have a leader with a target on his head from the press. 

 

Anyway, I don't think it matters too much as I don't see anyone putting up a challenge to Corbyn, I don't see him stepping aside and I think there's more chance of the party splitting. 

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22 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

So here's my worry. You say he's done the best job of holding this government to account, yet labour aren't taking advantage of the mess we're in. He's the leader of the brexit message from labour. I believe labour are not taking advantage because he's not held his own party to account for this non-position on brexit. They've sat on the fence for 2 years and it can't go on. There's every chance we will see a GE this year and before brexit is done and labour absolutely has to be in a position to win and they won't do that on the fence over brexit. 

 

I agree with your bit at the end that he wears a suit well and I think he has more chance of getting labour elected than Corbyn, but I am not sure about his ability to pull the party back together. Because that's what we need. It's all well and good bitching about the right of the PLP, but the reality is they're there and exist. And on brexit I think Corbyn has gone against the membership or at least fucked about enough to make it look that way. He doesn't agree with the membership, so he's doing all he can to fuck that position. I think the Tories can win elections when they're split and dysfunctional, I don't think labour has that privilege and can only be voted in when they're united and  don't have a leader with a target on his head from the press. 

 

Anyway, I don't think it matters too much as I don't see anyone putting up a challenge to Corbyn, I don't see him stepping aside and I think there's more chance of the party splitting. 

He’s the leader of the message he’s been given. He argued his position and then the Labour Party voted on and agreed Brexit policy. 

 

He could have thrown his toys out the pram and fucked off like many other shithouses, he hasn’t. He’s tried his fucking best despite having both hands tied behind his back and still restricted the government. 

 

He’s not the perfect socialist I’d like to see lead the party in to power. 

 

He’s the closest I can hope for in my opinion. 

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8 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

He’s the leader of the message he’s been given. He argued his position and then the Labour Party voted on and agreed Brexit policy. 

 

He could have thrown his toys out the pram and fucked off like many other shithouses, he hasn’t. He’s tried his fucking best despite having both hands tied behind his back and still restricted the government. 

 

He’s not the perfect socialist I’d like to see lead the party in to power. 

 

He’s the closest I can hope for in my opinion. 

Maybe you're right. I disagree about the labour brexit policy. It was constructed in a way that allowed Corbyn to stop it getting to a point of supporting a new referendum, except the real reason that policy was put in was to get us there. Starmer has been complicit in that by his inaction imo. 

 

You're right, he could have fucked off, but being cynical, that probably isn't s great career choice and let's be honest that's what a large majority of MP's are there for. 

 

As I say, I think Barry Gardiner could be a good candidate, I've never seen any interviewer get the better of him and even get a little bit ruffled. I think I'd have more faith in him than starmer. But I'd take starmer before probably most other candidates. 

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The country has been in the shitter since 2008 gave the Tories the austerity excuse and even if it was decided that Brexit was cancelled overnight there are a million and one things to sort out. Corbyn and Labour had the only manifesto showing the slightest inkling of moving forward positively last time and I think a lot of the country would see this in a general election campaign which limits the bias of the press.

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There is a piece in the Guardian about a jewish writer who has had to cancel a book signing tour in the UK as there was allegedly an overwhelming chance of his signings being attacked by Palestinian protesters. I read the whole thing with my mouth open wondering if it was a pisstake.

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3 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

I don't think labour has that privilege and can only be voted in when they're united and  don't have a leader with a target on his head from the press. 

That will never ever happen unless they get Tony Blair 2.0, which is not a labour party I would vote for.

 

The printed press are becoming less of an influence in politics, The S*N only sell about 1.4 million 'newspapers' these days. 

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2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

There are government sponsored reports saying Brexit will be catastrophic.  Yet the leader of the opposition can’t take the lead. Fucking useless. 

What should he do exactly?  Brexit is an impossible problem for the two main parties due to them both having millions of supporters who have completely opposite views. The only realistic way forward is to keep allowing the tories to implode. 

 

We are four months away from the latest Brexit deadline. Boris won't get a better deal and won't be allowed to leave with no deal, so what then? Either a general election or a second referendum. If its a general election then how many people will vote to keep the man in charge who has failed to deliver Brexit? I can honestly see Boris losing both the election and his seat at the next GE. The Lib Dems will pull back a lot of the seats they lost in 2015 in strong remain areas, and The Brexit Party will probably get some seats in Strong Leave areas, but as we saw in Peterborough recently most people don't vote for a party on one issue. 

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On 28/06/2019 at 16:42, Captain Howdy said:

I’ve no horse in the race as I no longer vote but it’s clear as day to me that there is an agenda at play with this anti-semitism narrative but you have to admit that Corbyn has been utterly hopeless with his reply/defence to it, he’s like a rabbit in headlights, fight back for Christ’s sake man

Careful, now - suggesting that an obvious smear campaign should be called out for what it is is the kind of talk that got Chris Williamson into bother in the first place. 

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8 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

Agreed Barry, the old mob of socialists will all get decimated by the press. The party having been gutted by Blair, Mandelson, etc, means there is a real paucity of 45-60 year old socialists. They're all McDonnell's generation or wet behind the ears.

 

Literally any Labour leader will get beasted by the media if he or she is serious about ending austerity, making tax fair, bringing back workplace democracy and opposing Israeli Apartheid.  Any Labour leader who isn't serious about those things isn't fit to be a Labour leader. The only question is  - who could survive a beasting like that? Personally, I think Corbyn is the likeliest candidate. 

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