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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?


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  1. 1. Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?



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2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

Think I've had a go at everyone now, can we get back to Corbyn? The subs argument is not enthralling viewing.

I was thinking much the same.  I was on the verge of calling Corbyn a racist, nonce, Stalinist cunt just to get the thread back on track.

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1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Do you know Rico that when I worked (albeit briefly) in your industry I used to give people money? 

Some woman phoned up once because her husband had left her and not been paying the bills. She owed 600 quid, but I moved her out on the computer and back in again the next day, reducing it to 12.50.

 

I fought the man. You NEED the man. 

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8 hours ago, Hank Moody said:

If you're worried about income tax, then it is about wage earners. He won't want to raise income tax on low to medium earners. Just not happening. What he will do is use rising economy to borrow money that will then expand it even more and hope to balance the books that way. If you're a big business owner, own a mansion or two, and own half of Cornwall, you'd be better voting for somebody else. If you're not, then he's probably not going to shaft you. 

I think I said I wasnt worried about income tax being raised, because im pretty sure it wouldnt be too much for someone like me and the manifesto would be pretty clear. As a sole trader i can understand, expect and have no problem with income tax.

 

The problem is, being a small business any major increase in operating costs can have a big effect. Should it be decided that the property or the land that the business owns is to somehow be taxed further, I need to know by how much before deciding if i could vote Labour. The last manifesto stated there would be an overhaul of council tax but gave no details. There was also talk of land/garden/mansion tax that could be potentially ruinous. 

 

The problem with my type of business is that without the property asset there is no business. Turnover and therefore profit is not particularly high and there is a finite amount that can be earned i.e only so many weeks a year a cottage can be rented out.

 

 

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8 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Why would you assume that Labour’s tax plans would be destructive? If I remember the Manifesto correctly, Labour are more likely to introduce a system of taxes, rates, etc to support small businesses and to implement  a moderate increase to corporation tax and try to make corporations actually pay it.  By making taxes fair and by investing in infrastructure, training, education and health, Labour's manifesto proposed supporting businesses in a way that the Tories have utterly failed to do. 

 

Are you happy with the way Council Tax works now? Are you convinced that it is a fair and efficient way of raising funds for essential services? Are you so convinced of that that you are willing to put up with more years of Tory greed, waste and deprivation, just to stop anyone even looking at Council Tax? It doesn't seem to me a good enough reason not to vote Labour. 

 

I think you missed the point I was making when I referred to the Duke of Westminster.  The point is that there are individuals and corporations who are massively wealthy and a fair fiscal system could raise billions for essential public services and investment, just by moderate taxation. 

 

(I'm not sure of your point about Tony Benn. If he was a tax-dodger, then that smacks of hypocrisy and reinforces my view that you should never idolise humans; they'll let you down, because they're human.)

 

VAT is regressive. I prefer progressive taxation.  Preferring indirect to direct makes no sense; you still pay it.

As I mentioned to Hank Moody, I'm a sole trader and therefore pay income tax, its not what worries me.

 

I think council tax is too high, but i knew what it was before i got into the business and can swallow inflationary increases. Without repeating myself too much, i need to know exactly what the plans are for it in the labour manifesto because of the unique way that my business is linked to land and buildings

 

My point about indirect taxes was due to the fact that i can pay as much or as little as i wont, i have an element of choice. Prefer is probably the wrong word

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8 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Do you know Rico that when I worked (albeit briefly) in your industry I used to give people money? 

Some woman phoned up once because her husband had left her and not been paying the bills. She owed 600 quid, but I moved her out on the computer and back in again the next day, reducing it to 12.50.

 

I fought the man. You NEED the man. 

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6 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

If you're a sole trader you've got little to worry about from Corbyn. 

I'm sorry but I think you are missing the point. Its the land/buildings tax that is the big issue, unless i see specific exemptions, i wont vote for him. Last time there were none.

 

Anyway, I've bored enough people on this topic. 

 

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Two stories about Umuna today.

 

(1) scrapping tuition fees and rationalizing the utilities are a waste of money.

 

(2) bring back national service for 16-year olds.

 

It's like when you have a bad pint and you spend the next day projectile vomiting.

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23 minutes ago, A Red said:

I'm sorry but I think you are missing the point. Its the land/buildings tax that is the big issue, unless i see specific exemptions, i wont vote for him. Last time there were none.

 

Anyway, I've bored enough people on this topic. 

 

I'm not missing the point, I'm saying that land and building taxes for businesses - especially sole traders - aren't going to be an issue. 

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Something else I dont agree with Corbyn on - scrapping university tuition fees. Surely it is a particularly socialist thing to do, getting the rich to pay, rather than the government, for something they can afford that benefits them hugely. 

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1 minute ago, Hank Moody said:

I'm not missing the point, I'm saying that land and building taxes for businesses - especially sole traders - aren't going to be an issue. 

With respect, I cant take your word for it, only what they say in their manifesto

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1 hour ago, A Red said:

Something else I dont agree with Corbyn on - scrapping university tuition fees. Surely it is a particularly socialist thing to do, getting the rich to pay, rather than the government, for something they can afford that benefits them hugely. 

 

Labours manifesto in 2017 was based on universalism and collectivism. So all get access to public services including education. It is in line with those principles,  rather than the means-tested approach or sizeable fees that certain others favour. 

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1 hour ago, A Red said:

Something else I dont agree with Corbyn on - scrapping university tuition fees. Surely it is a particularly socialist thing to do, getting the rich to pay, rather than the government, for something they can afford that benefits them hugely. 

Can you clarify. I don't understand the point you're getting at here (genuinely, I'm not being a sarcastic cunt).

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27 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

Can you clarify. I don't understand the point you're getting at here (genuinely, I'm not being a sarcastic cunt).

I think that if you are a parent with a salary of say, £100k and I am a parent on benefits then your son/daughter should pay something towards a university education and mine shouldnt. Or, your offspring should not get a grant and mine should

 

I understand about universal benefits but still feel the less well off should get more. Another example that i dont agree with is when you, same hypothetical scenario as above, get the same child benefit as me when your need is far less than mine.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, A Red said:

I think that if you are a parent with a salary of say, £100k and I am a parent on benefits then your son/daughter should pay something towards a university education and mine shouldnt. Or, your offspring should not get a grant and mine should

 

I understand about universal benefits but still feel the less well off should get more. Another example that i dont agree with is when you, same hypothetical scenario as above, get the same child benefit as me when your need is far less than mine.

I completely agree with the child benefit. I also agree with you on your first point. Corbyn is the one who will make sure those on 100k and above are paying for the tuition via taxation, nobody on benefits will be paying for it. I agree with your points, but mine is that Corbyn isn't going to fuck anybody on that.

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7 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

I completely agree with the child benefit. I also agree with you on your first point. Corbyn is the one who will make sure those on 100k and above are paying for the tuition via taxation, nobody on benefits will be paying for it. I agree with your points, but mine is that Corbyn isn't going to fuck anybody on that.

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2 hours ago, A Red said:

Something else I dont agree with Corbyn on - scrapping university tuition fees. Surely it is a particularly socialist thing to do, getting the rich to pay, rather than the government, for something they can afford that benefits them hugely. 

Tory brexit ballbag. 

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