Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, moof said:

I mean, if you see “centrism” as just a dressed up, respectable facade for the far right, I agree. 

These lot aren’t far right, mate. I would dread the day we actually see far right politics in this country. We probably won’t ever. Hopefully. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

8 minutes ago, J-V said:

Of course it was you utter pleb.

Christ, like I'm going to get somebody sued and risk the forum etc potentially getting in trouble?

 

Do you really think I was being serious? Really, really? 

[moof]

7 hours ago, Revenge negging cunt said:

How is this jew hating, brexit loving douche bag still the leader of the opposition. What a shit country we have. 

Is this one of strontium’s sockpuppet accounts?

[cloggypop]

It's mark coulter. He's never wrong. 

[Barrington Womble]

2 hours ago, moof said:

I mean, if you see “centrism” as just a dressed up, respectable facade for the far right, I agree. 

Behave. We haven't had a far right PM at all. 

[moof]

2 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

Behave. We haven't had a far right PM at all. 

No, just “centrists”

[Barrington Womble]

6 minutes ago, moof said:

No, just “centrists”

You sound like an Evertonian. 

[Creator Supreme]

10 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

You sound like an Evertonian. 

He's not the one trying to deny Thatcher was right wing!

[moof]

14 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

You sound like an Evertonian. 

 

[Barrington Womble]

2 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

He's not the one trying to deny Thatcher was right wing!

I'm not! I'm saying she was the last right wing PM. Everyone else has since has been to the center. Major, Blair, brown, Cameron and the latest cunt. They all sit in the middle and not one of them was far right.  

[Barrington Womble]

Just now, moof said:

 

Yep. That's what you sound like. 

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, moof said:

Is this one of strontium’s sockpuppet accounts?

 

Behave. I would never put a space between douche and bag.

[Rico1304]

2 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Christ, like I'm going to get somebody sued and risk the forum etc potentially getting in trouble?

 

Do you really think I was being serious? Really, really? 

Exactly, you care so much and have invested so mu..sorry. 

[Section_31]

2 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

I'm not! I'm saying she was the last right wing PM. Everyone else has since has been to the center. Major, Blair, brown, Cameron and the latest cunt. They all sit in the middle and not one of them was far right.  

Disagree strongly there mate. I think the definition of centrism has changed. I think it was originally based on Bill Clinton's Third Way (Matron!!!) and Blair picked it up.

 

It was essentially all things to all men, that's how I saw it, which isn't possible to pull off without compromises (in Blair and Clinton's case it was sowing the seeds of the debt crisis, by running a consumer economy where the consumer has less and less money to spend due to the fact you continue to let the 1% run riot and Hoover up everyone else's wealth.

 

What I take centrism to mean now is Cameron's version of it, which is to appear socially liberal while remaining economically right wing. So for instance you encourage gay marriage in the Chinese community but pulverize poor people with bedroom tax.

 

I'd say most of the modern media occupy this ground now, the Lib Dems, the so-called 'moderate' Tories and most of the anti-corbyn faction of the Labour PLP.

[SasaS]

25 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

It was essentially all things to all men, that's how I saw it, which isn't possible to pull off without compromises (in Blair and Clinton's case it was sowing the seeds of the debt crisis, by running a consumer economy where the consumer has less and less money to spend due to the fact you continue to let the 1% run riot and Hoover up everyone else's wealth

 

26 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

What I take centrism to mean now is Cameron's version of it, which is to appear socially liberal while remaining economically right wing. So for instance you encourage gay marriage in the Chinese community but pulverize poor people with bedroom tax.

 

How is this different?

[Daisy]

 

[Section_31]

11 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

 

How is this different?

Blair/Clinton thought they could help the poor and the rich, Cameron helped the rich and still shat on the poor - gladly - but let transsexuals fly apache helicopters.

[moof]

15 minutes ago, Revenge negging cunt said:

 

Sounds good. See you there?

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Disagree strongly there mate. I think the definition of centrism has changed. I think it was originally based on Bill Clinton's Third Way (Matron!!!) and Blair picked it up.

 

It was essentially all things to all men, that's how I saw it, which isn't possible to pull off without compromises (in Blair and Clinton's case it was sowing the seeds of the debt crisis, by running a consumer economy where the consumer has less and less money to spend due to the fact you continue to let the 1% run riot and Hoover up everyone else's wealth.

 

What I take centrism to mean now is Cameron's version of it, which is to appear socially liberal while remaining economically right wing. So for instance you encourage gay marriage in the Chinese community but pulverize poor people with bedroom tax.

 

I'd say most of the modern media occupy this ground now, the Lib Dems, the so-called 'moderate' Tories and most of the anti-corbyn faction of the Labour PLP.

I agree to some extent. But here's my point. Most people in this country want someone who places themselves in the middle (which going back to the list of the PM's I mentioned, john major absolutely did and won an election on it). They want someone who appears to give them what they want, so yes they want someone who's all things to all men. They don't care if there is crisis down the line, because people don't really believe or want to think that crisis will come. They don't want to believe the guy they voted for can't  be all things to all men. They want a leader who doesn't do and say extreme things, seems to understand the basics, appears to know how to keep us safe and can avoid controversy. I'm not arguing it's the right way. I'm not arguing it's what I want. But I think it's what the nation wants. It's why (back to the original point) when someone asked why don't these left of centre people join the labour party and try to change it from what it is today, I don't believe they will. They won't join, because they're not passionate enough about it and to a large extent wish it all didn't exist. They just want to get up, go to work, keep improving their standard of living and go home to bed, with hopefully a glass of pinot. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

13 hours ago, Revenge negging cunt said:

How is this jew hating, brexit loving douche bag still the leader of the opposition. What a shit country we have. 

[Jairzinho]

Theresa May is a centrist? Wait, what?

[Moctezuma]

6 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

Behave. We haven't had a far right PM at all. 

 

By European standards we do, there's a reason why in the European parliament the conservatives sit in the European Conservatives and Reformist grouping rather that the European People's Party.

[moof]

7 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Theresa May is a centrist? Wait, what?

Yes, and if you disagree you support Everton, or something  

[Jairzinho]

Oh.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

8 hours ago, Hades said:

 

Always a pleasure chatting to an erudite fellow.

Prostitution, gambling and recreational drug use are all low-vibrational Archonic plots to keep us from accessing our higher consciousness.

No they are not. You’ve been in WUM territory for far too long sad sack.

if you have taken the red pill and see yourself as some kind of incel, get yer shit together and realise yer just a wanker like the rest of us.

but if yer on a wind up mission, fuck off somewhere else, the gf is a sanctuary for nut jobs, not your brand of hate.