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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?


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  1. 1. Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?



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Has it been Labours policy that an MP that resigns from a party mid term should stand for re-election immediately? Was it in the last manifesto, has it been put forward since? If it was then I understand the frustration, if it wasnt then whinging on about it now is a bit silly.

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10 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Scammed by Blair’s Labour, ha ha, fucking hell, yeah life under him was hell.

 

The cronyism and Iraq is something I consider good enough to be classed as a scam considering what most will have probably voted for. And yeah, in Iraq it probably was hell.

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34 minutes ago, The Guest said:

There’s more chance of them splitting the Tory vote.  This new party is just another version of Tory.  God knows what they think will separate them from the Lib Dem’s.

The only Tories I can see being lured away by the rhetoric of the 'Independent Group' are MPs.

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5 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

Yes, those same members that have been governed by the Tories for 9 years and will be governed by them for 20 more. The members that have seen the country neutered by austerity and watched as food banks need to be wheeled out for over 1 million people and homelessness rises in record numbers.

 

The very same members that would rather send letters wishing death threats on Labour MP's because they're not 'left wing enough' and have seen the party apparatus ripped to pieces, gleefully, because they are more obsessed with delivering a fictitious Marxist utopia than living in the real world and - i don't know - maybe trying to galvanise support and topple the most shambolic version of the Tory party in living memory. Yes, those members.

 

I already replied to you pages back I think on parts of that. I think you go to the extremes with determining where people actually are politically. Most Labour voters would I'd guess settle with some socialist policies implemented and as much of the cronyism cut out as possible, not a Marxist utopia.

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Just now, Red Phoenix said:

 

I already replied to you pages back I think on parts of that. I think you go to the extremes with determining where people actually are politically. Most Labour voters would I'd guess settle with some socialist policies implemented and as much of the cronyism cut out as possible, not a Marxist utopia.

Well, they'll be settling for no socialist policies being implemented and rampant cronyism now.

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9 minutes ago, Boss said:

Well, they'll be settling for no socialist policies being implemented and rampant cronyism now.

 

If the issue is wanting some socialist policies as a Labour member and that shouldn't be done, then there's hardly any fucking point in the party existing at all really. A line has to be drawn at some point.

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1 hour ago, Boss said:

That's the end of the Labour Party now. A new party splits the vote and gives the Tories an easy victory. Congratulations to the members for destroying the party.

Look at those majorities.

 

These 7 helmets coming clean about not really being part of the Labour movement means that 1 seat is at risk at the next General Election. 

 

The Fat Lady isn't doing her warm-up exercises just yet.

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23 minutes ago, A Red said:

Has it been Labours policy that an MP that resigns from a party mid term should stand for re-election immediately? Was it in the last manifesto, has it been put forward since? If it was then I understand the frustration, if it wasnt then whinging on about it now is a bit silly.

How could it be in a manifesto?

 

What they're doing is like a lot of shit - legally, but dishonest and immoral. Nowt silly about saying that shitty behaviour is shitty.

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38 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Parody Twitter account already in full flow...

 

https://twitter.com/IndieGroupUK

 

The public reaction from the leadership seems measured and appropriate, the reaction from lower ranks however looks a bit over the top for such an an insignificant group of yesterday's people who the party is much better off without since they were the enemy within who plotted against the leadership didn't share values leaked stuff to the media and were always bad eggs to begin with anyway.

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34 minutes ago, A Red said:

Is saying that, leave a party stand for re-election, not something that could have gone in their last manifesto?

I suppose they could have said that they would change the law to that effect, if elected, but it's not really something most people are arsed about, except on the very rare occasions  (like today) when the subject comes up.

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1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I suppose they could have said that they would change the law to that effect, if elected, but it's not really something most people are arsed about, except on the very rare occasions  (like today) when the subject comes up.

Fuck me, but isn't that what a manifesto is? 

 

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1 hour ago, A Red said:

Has it been Labours policy that an MP that resigns from a party mid term should stand for re-election immediately? Was it in the last manifesto, has it been put forward since? If it was then I understand the frustration, if it wasnt then whinging on about it now is a bit silly.

I'm fairly sure people - including Labour supporters and MPs - can have an opinion on what they think should happen without it being mandated by Labour.

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1 hour ago, Strontium Dog said:

Skwawkbox strikes again.

 

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Regardless of the date it was registered originally (it may or may not have gone back well before the update), it being registered in Panama or wherever else is really of little importance to the end user doing the registering, it's the registrar that would be based there. Considering they will sell all over the world, they can be based wherever they want. This is the problem I have with people saying 'sorry if you have a problem with me stating facts'. Hmm, facts are cool. Context is cooler.

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It's good to see all the #FBPE lot trying to defend Angela Smith's racism, while only recently they were happy to partake in Rachel Riley/Oberman/that vile Gnasher character led pile ons accusing people of antisemitism because they were born in 1988 and had the last two numbers of this (88) in their Twitter handle or other such rubbish reasons. 

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2 hours ago, A Red said:

Has it been Labours policy that an MP that resigns from a party mid term should stand for re-election immediately? Was it in the last manifesto, has it been put forward since? If it was then I understand the frustration, if it wasnt then whinging on about it now is a bit silly.

Why there won't be a by-election in Wavertree after Luciana Berger quit Labour

 

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/wont-election-wavertree-after-luciana-15849542#comments-section

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4 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Why there won't be a by-election in Wavertree after Luciana Berger quit Labour

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-voters-reasons-jeremy-corbyn-manifesto-local-mp-mandatory-reselection-a7840856.html

 

Not aimed at you personally, but the revisionism from some regarding Labour safe seats and the "red rosette on a pig" theory is quite amusing. That's gone out the window now and has been replaced with bluster about how the person is elected on merit, it's nothing to do with the party etc. Technically that's true, but to now deny what really happens is absurd. 

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2 hours ago, Captain Howdy said:

Scammed by Blair’s Labour, ha ha, fucking hell, yeah life under him was hell.

That's the thing. Despite not being a Blairite, in any shape or form, and opposing the wars that cost a fuck load of money and, more importantly, a fuck load of lives, I think the left have gone off a cliff with him. I'm much more of a Brownite than a Blairite, but things - whilst a mile away from being a perfect Utopia - improved dramatically after 18 years of Tories. I can't believe that those on the left would sooner see two parties get none of their policies enacted and live under perpetual Tory rule than have a group that, whilst not matching their political ideal, would do what New Labour did and balance the financial side with decent support for people and social policies. The country would be much better under Brown or Blair than these Tories. Making out as if they're right wingers who are no different from Tories won't really get anybody anywhere. 

 

I'd happily have Miliband or Jeremy Corbyn in power rather than the Tories, too. But the problem is, they can't win elections with the wider population. So 0 of the policies that I want get put into place rather than 60 or 70%. The priority should be to get back in power, then slowly drift to the left. Make life better for people, then start drifting the left wing ideas. I get the desire for a left wing government, but here's the truth as I see it... if we're not pragmatic about it, what we get for all our ideals is the opposite of what we want. 

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Personality splits, a centrist rival to the centrist rival party. Oh and rumours of working with MPs no longer welcome in Labour because of alleged sexual abuse. I thought the centrists were meant to be the "sensible people".  This pro-fracking and pro- war, pro-privatisation party of the few is looking worse than the Lib Dems if their policies resemble their beliefs. 

 

“They do not get on, they do not agree on fundamentals, there are personality clashes and they cannot do the basics" – the opinion of a figure who has worked with the group Full story by me and :

 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/alexwickham/30-mps-labour-independent-group?__twitter_impression=true

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2 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

That's the thing. Despite not being a Blairite, in any shape or form, and opposing the wars that cost a fuck load of money and, more importantly, a fuck load of lives, I think the left have gone off a cliff with him. I'm much more of a Brownite than a Blairite, but things - whilst a mile away from being a perfect Utopia - improved dramatically after 18 years of Tories. I can't believe that those on the left would sooner see two parties get none of their policies enacted and live under perpetual Tory rule than have a group that, whilst not matching their political ideal, would do what New Labour did and balance the financial side with decent support for people and social policies. The country would be much better under Brown or Blair than these Tories. Making out as if they're right wingers who are no different from Tories won't really get anybody anywhere. 

 

I'd happily have Miliband or Jeremy Corbyn in power rather than the Tories, too. But the problem is, they can't win elections with the wider population. So 0 of the policies that I want get put into place rather than 60 or 70%. The priority should be to get back in power, then slowly drift to the left. Make life better for people, then start drifting the left wing ideas. I get the desire for a left wing government, but here's the truth as I see it... if we're not pragmatic about it, what we get for all our ideals is the opposite of what we want. 

I have some sympathy with this view but personally i’d rather campaign with 100% adherence to your values and abide by the result rather than dilute your values to begin with.

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