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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?


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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?  

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  1. 1. Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?



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Conference priorities ballot result. Top four issues in each section get selected for debate.

CLPs
 

Housing 297,032
Schools System 233,883
Justice for the Windrush generation 212,612
Palestine 188,019
Brexit 149,172
The NHS 121,487
Welfare System 89,861
Climate Change and Fracking 72,890
Local Government Funding 68,473
Social Care 64,569
In-Work Poverty 33,119
An Economy for the Many 28,406
Tenants’ Rights 19,488
Government Contracts 10,610
Yemen 10,294
Combustible cladding 8,472
Local Banks 5,281
 

Trade Unions/Affiliates


Brexit 1,878,501
An Economy for the Many 1,848,812
Government Contracts 1,845,256
In-Work Poverty 1,845,084
Housing 39,479
The NHS 35,445
Justice for the Windrush generation 29,622
Social Care 9,642
Schools System 7,697
Climate Change and Fracking 1,651
Palestine 756
Welfare System 651
Combustible cladding 0
Local Banks 0
Local Government Funding 0
Tenants’ Rights 0
Yemen 0

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23 minutes ago, Thoth said:

Not defending it, but it is an old photo and we have already had the discussion about it;

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/28/jeremy-corbyn-reasons-should-not-buy-the-sun_n_8407912.html

 

 

 

I could be mistaken but I am sure it resurfaced two years ago as well, when the conference was in Liverpool.

 

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Len McCluskey was spot on in what he was saying.  If Labour back any sort of second referendum or vote with the option of staying in the EU then all those voters who came back from UKIP will disappear to the tories.  Labour will never get anywhere near power with all those votes going away and the Tories just do what they want anyway.

 

The Blairite’s in the party aren’t daft and will know this.  As per they’re obviously happier with a Tory Government than a Corbyn led Labour.  You can come up with your own conclusions on why that is.  Personally I’d rather be out of the EU with a Corbyn led Labour government then in the EU with a Tory government.  In reality that’s not even the options.  The options are those two governments but we are leaving the EU regardless.  If you want to play games over a second referendum all that it’s going to lead to is the worst case scenario.

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1 hour ago, The Guest said:

Len McCluskey was spot on in what he was saying.  If Labour back any sort of second referendum or vote with the option of staying in the EU then all those voters who came back from UKIP will disappear to the tories.  Labour will never get anywhere near power with all those votes going away and the Tories just do what they want anyway.

 

The Blairite’s in the party aren’t daft and will know this.  As per they’re obviously happier with a Tory Government than a Corbyn led Labour.  You can come up with your own conclusions on why that is.  Personally I’d rather be out of the EU with a Corbyn led Labour government then in the EU with a Tory government.  In reality that’s not even the options.  The options are those two governments but we are leaving the EU regardless.  If you want to play games over a second referendum all that it’s going to lead to is the worst case scenario.

I don't believe they will dessert to UKIP who are now beyond a joke and anyone that does vote for them doesn't deserve to be taken seriously anyway. Anyone with a socialist bone in their body would still support Labour ahead of UKIP. We are in this mess because both major parties have run scared from a one issue bunch of racist cunts. Call them out for what they are and Labour will find many more people willing to see them in government,  

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15 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Yesterday Len and now McDonell hinting at no option to stay in the EU in any third referendum. 

So Labour's policy is that they want to respect the vote of the advisory 2016 referendum but they want a rerun of the 2017 General Election which they don't respect.

Work that one out.

They want a General Election so the country can decide on who they want to handle Brexit, the Tories with a no deal or Labour with something that keeps us linked to the EU but also respects the referendum result. Proper democracy. That’s still a people’s vote. 

 

This isnt really hard to understand. 

 

There is a load of absolute gobshites who need their heads twatting for how they voted leave to stick two fingers up to the establishment. You see them all crying how this result is wrong and they don’t want to face the consequences of their actions. 

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5 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Surely a proper democracy would allow, now they have more information, a population to change their mind should they want to. Not say ‘oh, you said something a few years ago, too late to not fuck the country for a few generations’. 

If you bring a 2nd referendum in it sets the wrong precedent for future generations as well. 

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3 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

If you bring a 2nd referendum in it sets the wrong precedent for future generations as well. 

It’s pointless me arguing it to be honest, mate. Practically nothing in the universe could convince me that giving power to people is less democratic than not. I mean, it’s up for debate whether democracy is a good thing or not, but for me it can’t be argued that a more direct democracy is less democratic. 

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22 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

It’s pointless me arguing it to be honest, mate. Practically nothing in the universe could convince me that giving power to people is less democratic than not. I mean, it’s up for debate whether democracy is a good thing or not, but for me it can’t be argued that a more direct democracy is less democratic. 

 

Is it really that democratic when one side told lie after lie and broke laws during the campaign?

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4 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

 

Is it really that democratic when one side told lie after lie and broke laws during the campaign?

No, it’s not. I complained about exactly that at the time and after. The populace wasn’t well informed, they’re still not but they’re better. Add it all together and you get a good argument to check if they still want to tuck themselves in the ass. It’s still more democratic than a few etonians deciding what type of Brexit they want. 

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I think we should have more referendums. I’d be happy to have another vote on leaving the EU.  Nobody should be scared of increased democracy.  What we live in now is not democracy.  We have a two party system whereby the only realistic candidates to form a government are from those party’s and the candidates for those positions are selected by men in suits behind the scenes.  It means nobody has any accountability.  If you’re specifically right or left how are you meant to impact politics by voting if you don’t agree with the candidate in your constituency if it’s a safe seat even if they’re supposedly on the same side as you?  It’s why mandatory reselection with completely open entry for labour members to run would revolutionise politics because there would be direct accountability.

 

More referendums would engage people more in politics and let people see the impact their decisions make.  For decades now both party’s have just done pretty much exactly what the other would have done had they got in power.

 

All anyone talks about in regards to leaving the EU is how bad the economy is going to be when we leave as if nobody was saying this before the vote.  Lots of people just don’t believe it or are happy to take the hit to regain control of the borders.  The media shitstorm about it all every week since the vote won’t have changed the minds of those voters.  It’s just my opinion but I think if there was another vote tomorrow leave would win by a bigger margin.

 

The problem for me is that it’s not Labours job to offer a new referendum.  They would tank votes if they did and anyone on the left should see that which would mean we wouldn’t get a referendum anyway.

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37 minutes ago, The Guest said:

It’s just my opinion but I think if there was another vote tomorrow leave would win by a bigger margin.


Despite all the polls showing the opposite.

Anyway, now that Labour is going to give us a second referendum, but the options are going to be Leave and Leave, perhaps maybe now people can stop deluding themselves about Corbyn and Co's stance on Brexit?

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