Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[SammyAftershave]

1 hour ago, polymerpunkah said:

What religion is Tony Blair?

 

I think he got expelled from the satanists for being a bit of cunt.

[SammyAftershave]

37 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Not sure anyone can claim the word "threat".

"I'm afraid, you used the word "the" so you clearly hate Chinese people".

 

This shit will lead to more anti-semitism. It's utterly, utterly hateful. Pure cuntery.

 

[aRdja]

2 hours ago, Strontium Dog said:

I always think you shouldn't attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, and it's certainly pretty stupid to blame an anonymous group of people for the financial crisis whose only identifying characteristic is that they refer to Jeremy as a threat, when the only group of people who has used that term to refer to Jeremy recently is... well, you know who. 

The thing is, while I choose to believe that Jeremy Corbyn is stupid - like, 2 Es at A-level stupid -  I'm not going to pillory people who think he knows exactly what he's doing. After all, they're the ones on the sharp end.

Do you think it’s option 1, 2 or 3.. I couldnt quite make it out sorry.

[Strontium]

I thought I had made it clear I thought it was stupid rather than malicious.

[Gnasher]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/sunday-times-pays-foot-damages-over-kgb-claim-1590325.html

 

For the youngsters who missed the Murdoch slurs first time around.

[Jenson]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog said:

I thought I had made it clear I thought it was stupid rather than malicious.

Corbyn has been saying the bankers who caused the financial crash see him as a threat for the last 3 years. Any attempt to smear anti-semitism onto that is completely agenda driven and pure fucking drivel. The weaponisation has now been laid bare. Will Pollard be called out for using an anti-Semitic trope as forcefully as Corbyn would be? I won’t hold my breath.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 hours ago, Strontium Dog said:

I always think you shouldn't attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, and it's certainly pretty stupid to blame an anonymous group of people for the financial crisis whose only identifying characteristic is that they refer to Jeremy as a threat, when the only group of people who has used that term to refer to Jeremy recently is... well, you know who. 

The thing is, while I choose to believe that Jeremy Corbyn is stupid - like, 2 Es at A-level stupid -  I'm not going to pillory people who think he knows exactly what he's doing. After all, they're the ones on the sharp end.

Am I reading that correctly? Did you just call Corbyn stupid for saying that bankers caused the financial crash of 2007-08?

And did you describe as "anonymous" the Directors and Executives who are registered as the decision-makers of the firms whose behaviour tanked economies?

And did you just judge a sixty-something year-old's intelligence with reference to his A Levels?

As for the group of people who have recently referred to Corbyn as a threat; yes, we do know who. It's not "the Jews" (because it's demonstrably false - and anti-Semitic - to pretend that British Jews are a homogeneous group with one opinion on any given subject). The group who think Corbyn is a threat consists of his political enemies: the tax-dodgers and the supporters of the Apartheid State.

[Scooby Dudek]

It is the same video he posted approx 10 months ago when Morgan Stanley were saying he was a threat to the country. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/30/jeremy-corbyn-morgan-stanley-labour-brexit

Jeremy Corbyn tells Morgan Stanley: 'You're right, we are a threat'

Labour leader hits back after investment bank warned clients his party could pose as much of a risk to UK business as Brexit

 

He was moved to record the video, posted on his Twitter feed and Facebook page, after Morgan Stanley released a note telling investors about what it perceived as the risks of Corbyn taking power.

“The UK is in the midst of a double whammy of uncertainty in the shape of Brexit and a fragile domestic political situation. Taken together, these two factors – which are interrelated to some degree – cast a long shadow over the policy backdrop and economic outlook of the UK,” the report from Morgan Stanley’s European equity team said.

“For the UK market, domestic politics may be perceived as a bigger risk than Brexit. From a UK investor perspective, we believe that the domestic political situation is at least as significant as Brexit, given the fragile state of the current government and the perceived risks of an incoming Labour administration that could potentially embark on a radical change in policy direction.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So he responded specifically to financial institutions because they had a go at him. 

Funnily it wasn't deemed antisemitic at the time.

As Jenson says, hopefully this will show the anti Corbyn agenda for the bollocks it is.

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Am I reading that correctly? Did you just call Corbyn stupid for saying that bankers caused the financial crash of 2007-08?

No, you're not reading that correctly. Happy to help.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

No, you're not reading that correctly. Happy to help.

So, which anonymous group of people is it stupid to blame then?

[Strontium]

It was the wording I said was stupid.

(I mean, it's also simplistic to put the whole mess on bankers in the first place, but I know how you populists like your scapegoats.)

[SammyAftershave]

[AngryOfTuebrook]

12 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

It was the wording I said was stupid.

(I mean, it's also simplistic to put the whole mess on bankers in the first place, but I know how you populists like your scapegoats.)

You're still not being clear. Which wording is stupid? Did someone attribute the financial crash to malice (implying it was done deliberately) rather than stupidity (which includes recklessness, greed and an overestimation of one's ability to control things)?

As for us "populists" wanting to scapegoat the people who made the decisions in the financial sector for the catastrophic failure of the financial sector, it certainly seems less stupid than pretending that it was caused by too much public spending and that austerity - scapegoating the poorest and most vulnerable - would somehow make things better. 

[Strontium]

Using the specific word "threat" was stupid/careless/whatever. Pretty obvious if you read my original post.

Nobody pretends that the financial crisis was caused by too much spending. After all, we still spend more now than we did before the financial crisis.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Strontium Dog said:

Using the specific word "threat" was stupid/careless/whatever. Pretty obvious if you read my original post.

Nobody pretends that the financial crisis was caused by too much spending. After all, we still spend more now than we did before the financial crisis.

Clearly not as obvious as you think. 

The whole economic policy of the  Coalition Government was based on pretending that "we have overspent".

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jun/22/emergency-budget-full-speech-text

[Numero Veinticinco]

Turned the TV on whilst having a coffee. Farage on Good Morning Britain banging on about Labour being antisemitic as a defence against his associate with actual antisemites. Oh, what have you done. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Any news on if Pollard has been sacked yet for his blatant antisemitism? 

Surely he must be disciplined if we're meant to be taking antisemitism seriously? Otherwise...

[cloggypop]

An interesting read 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11198691/Labours-first-Jewish-leader-is-losing-the-Jewish-vote.html

[Stickman]

See a lot of "journalists" (Hodges, Newton Dunn, Schofield, Cole ) are getting a bit arsey regarding Momentums decision to ban The S*n from the Labour Party Conference.

In the case of Hodges he's likening it to the anti-Semitism row....Well I guess he would do wouldn't he

[Numero Veinticinco]

Momentum banned the Sun from the Labour conference? Or some shit they’ve got going on at the conference? 

[Anubis]

More likely to have banned The Sun from The World Transformed event, which is  a Momentum event that is supplementary to the conference but not part of it.  Momentum don't have any authority to ban anyone from the conference.

[Captain Turdseye]

1 minute ago, Anubis said:

More likely to have banned The Sun from The World Transformed event, which is  a Momentum event that is supplementary to the conference but not part of it.  Momentum don't have any authority to ban anyone from the conference.

 

It’s exactly that. 

 

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/98341/momentum-bans-sun-world-transformed-festival-over

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Anubis said:

More likely to have banned The Sun from The World Transformed event, which is  a Momentum event that is supplementary to the conference but not part of it.  Momentum don't have any authority to ban anyone from the conference.

Yeah, that’s what I was getting at. I was really questioning if that’s what he claimed. It wouldn’t surprise me. I checked now, he’s a twat making a ridiculous conflation. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

13 minutes ago, Anubis said:

More likely to have banned The Sun from The World Transformed event, which is  a Momentum event that is supplementary to the conference but not part of it.  Momentum don't have any authority to ban anyone from the conference.

Although the Labour Party themselves really should ban the rag.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, AngryofTuebrook said:

Although the Labour Party themselves really should ban the rag.

I understand the call, but unless they never want to be in power again, they should look at the bigger picture.