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Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?


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  1. 1. Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?



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I’ve got to say, I think Corbyn is done. I can’t see him doing anything with the two main papers so united again him. Labour is a shambles and has been for a long time now. That’s not all Jeremy Corbyn’s fault, or even mainly, but he’s not winning the next election. The opposition they’ve offered has been poor.

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I’ve got to say, I think Corbyn is done. I can’t see him doing anything with the two main papers so united again him. Labour is a shambles and has been for a long time now. That’s not all Jeremy Corbyn’s fault, or even mainly, but he’s not winning the next election. The opposition they’ve offered has been poor.

I think the 2017 General Election showed that the influence of the Mail and the S*n isn't what it used to be. Corbyn just needs the NEC and the PLP to actually try to win the next GE (which they failed/refused to do last time) in order to win the next election. The NEC elections and the move for mandatory reselection at this year's conference could go a long way to securing that.
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I’ve got to say, I think Corbyn is done. I can’t see him doing anything with the two main papers so united again him. Labour is a shambles and has been for a long time now. That’s not all Jeremy Corbyn’s fault, or even mainly, but he’s not winning the next election. The opposition they’ve offered has been poor.

I'm not sure it's as clear cut as that.

 

The majority of the people who the antisemitism issue is playing badly with appear to be the pro-Israel, right leaning Jewish folk and people who would never vote Labour anyway.

 

There appears to be plenty of left leaning Jewish people who are sticking behind Corbyn and Labour. Plus, I've seen a few people on social media who've said that they've seen the antisemitism issue being used as a weapon to slur Corbyn, that it's the latest of many such slurs and that the incessant slurring of him has made them feel sorry for him and encouraged them to vote Labour next time round. Then there's the point somebody pointed out on here the other day - Tory voters tend to be older, thus some of them will die off before the next GE. Labour had the "youth quake" in the last GE. There's the chance that some people who were 16 and 17 years old at the last GE, wanted to vote Labour, couldn't but now can. The same obviously applies to the Tories, but their attempts to get down with the kids has been woeful.

 

Plus, the Jewish people are a small demographic of the population. Like it or not, some non-Jewish folk might be indifferent to the whole antisemitism issue and more concerned about their working conditions, affordable housing and transport, education etc.The press tried to influence and scare the entire country last year with hysteria about threats to national security etc. That didn't have entirely effect they wanted. There's no reason to believe that large sections of the electorate will be influenced by press reporting of the antisemitism issue either.

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You’ve written loads about antisemitism and Jewish votes. I didn’t say anything about it. As for there being no reason to believe large sections of the electorate being swayed... I’ve got to disagree; the voter intention polls have swung from 41/36 to 35/39 in the last few weeks.

 

Anyway, my comments weren’t about that, so I’m not going to go too deep into that.

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You’ve written loads about antisemitism and Jewish votes. I didn’t say anything about it. As for there being no reason to believe large sections of the electorate being swayed... I’ve got to disagree; the voter intention polls have swung from 41/36 to 35/39 in the last few weeks.

 

Anyway, my comments weren’t about that, so I’m not going to go too deep into that.

I was just outlining reasons why I don't necessarily believe that Corbyn is done.

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Corbyn should be done because he is pro-Brexit.

 

The anti-semitism stuff is a minor issue compared with that. It's super odd to me as a non-Brit to see that 48% of the population voted against a crucial measure, even more have now joined them as the side that won has completely unraveled and yet neither of the two major parties is anti-Brexit. Labour should boot him out, bring in someone who's going to scream at the top of his/her head that Brexit is stupid and try with all their might to stop it from happening.

 

At least then if it actually does happen the blame can be laid 100% at the feet of the Tories and Labour can say with a straight face "we told you" when in 3 years there's a countrywide depression. As it is now the Tories are going to blame the left for the consequences of Brexit and probably half the population will believe them.

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Corbyn should be done because he is pro-Brexit.

 

The anti-semitism stuff is a minor issue compared with that. It's super odd to me as a non-Brit to see that 48% of the population voted against a crucial measure, even more have now joined them as the side that won has completely unraveled and yet neither of the two major parties is anti-Brexit. Labour should boot him out, bring in someone who's going to scream at the top of his/her head that Brexit is stupid and try with all their might to stop it from happening.

 

At least then if it actually does happen the blame can be laid 100% at the feet of the Tories and Labour can say with a straight face "we told you" when in 3 years there's a countrywide depression. As it is now the Tories are going to blame the left for the consequences of Brexit and probably half the population will believe them.

 

Who is going to boot him out?

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He's just too placid. He should be pissed off, there's so many reasons for the anger to be palpable. I think he's a good man with many ideas that would benefit the masses looking beyond short term profit. You can't sit back and just hope that the Tories hang themselves you've got to kick the stool from under their feet and then jump and their backs and use them as a swing rope.

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I admit I'm not really up to speed on your party politics but can't the members just simply force him to resign? Or vote in someone new? I don't know if it's the representatives or the whole membership that need to do the voting but someone needs to do it surely.

 

Just seems totally bizarre to me that there must be 60-65% of the population now against Brexit as it's unfolding and yet neither of the main two parties is offering meaningful support for that position.

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I think the 2017 General Election showed that the influence of the Mail and the S*n isn't what it used to be. Corbyn just needs the NEC and the PLP to actually try to win the next GE (which they failed/refused to do last time) in order to win the next election. The NEC elections and the move for mandatory reselection at this year's conference could go a long way to securing that.

It was interesting that as soon as we entered purdah and the media had NO CHOICE but to give the parties equal air time, three things happened. The public's opinion of Corbyn improved, the public's opinion or Labour manifesto was positive, and the public's opinion of May plummeted.

 

Since then, normal media service has been resumed and we're back where we were.

 

The real damage isn't done by the likes of the Mail and the S*n, they're preaching to the choir, it's done by the broadcast media and it's done subtly. For example, on the ticker about Johnson's Islam shit, it referred to him as 'Boris'. They then showed a clip of a reporter shouting at Corbyn as he gets in his car 'does the Labour party have a problem with anti Semitism?' Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.

 

It's the subtle things which make a difference. The word 'Insurgent' or 'Islamist' for example, rather than rebel or Muslim. 'Drummer Lee Rigby' or 'Fusillier Lee Rigby', depending on what kind of feeling you're trying to elicit.

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I admit I'm not really up to speed on your party politics but can't the members just simply force him to resign? Or vote in someone new? I don't know if it's the representatives or the whole membership that need to do the voting but someone needs to do it surely.

 

Just seems totally bizarre to me that there must be 60-65% of the population now against Brexit as it's unfolding and yet neither of the main two parties is offering meaningful support for that position.

You are correct, it is the decision of the members. And most of us want him to remain as leader. Because he won't be replaced by a socialist.

 

And there isn't 65% of the country against Brexit.

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What is it about Corbyn’s policies that have you thinking there will be such a massive breakdown of society and wealth?

Brexit. He’s very likely to win after Brexit. When we’re all already fucked. If he were genuinely a man of the people he’d be doing everything to stop it. He’s not, he’s fucking invisible against the worst PM in living memory.

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Brexit. He’s very likely to win after Brexit. When we’re all already fucked. If he were genuinely a man of the people he’d be doing everything to stop it. He’s not, he’s fucking invisible against the worst PM in living memory.

 

You honestly think he’d be worse than Boris or Rees Mogg?

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Brexit. He’s very likely to win after Brexit. When we’re all already fucked. If he were genuinely a man of the people he’d be doing everything to stop it. He’s not, he’s fucking invisible against the worst PM in living memory.

Problem is not everyone wants Brexit to be stopped. At last count there were about 17 million of them.

It’s funny though that people are more angry with Corbyn over Brexit than the fucking Government who are, lest anyone forgets, the ones actually driving us over the fucking cliff.

There aren’t the numbers in Parliament to stop Brexit, or force a second vote, unless the likes of Grieve, Soubry and Allen actually grow a pair and vote against the whip.

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Who is going to boot him out?

#FBPE

 

The bottom line is that Corbyn isn't a Brexiteer and never has been. But he's smart enough to recognise that there was a strong undercurrent of "giving those politicians (who are all the same and are all out-of-touch with ordinary people) a bloody nose" in the motivation for the vote of the 51.9%. Telling them "we know better than you, so we're ignoring your vote" isn’t the smartest move; in fact, it's electoral suicide and would hand total control to the right wing of the Tory Party for (what will feel like) a million years.

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