Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[magicrat]

Ludicrous to suggest he would publish a wildly inaccurate tax return

Devious turds trying to make something out of nothing

[AngryOfTuebrook]

https://twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/838683743929921536

Here's another take on that.

 

http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/guido-fawked-corbyn-tax-smear-busted.html

 

The Fawkes rabble were wrong about Jezza missing the opposition leader’s dosh off the tax return - but now they had found that the amount shown was £27,192, and Government accounts said he’d had £30,587. 

 

Two things here. One, £27,192 is a pretty good approximation of £40,000 per annum, pro rata for the period from September 2015 to early April 2016 - and the Fawkes mob claimed £40,000 yesterday, remember?

 

And two, Jezza’s team has confirmed that the £27,192 figure comes from his P60. Which is issued by … his employer, not by him or his accountant. The numbers declared by Corbyn are therefore almost certainly correct - the discrepancy could be an employer’s pension contribution … made by that same employer.

 

 

The discrepancy between the £30,587 shown on the Government accounts and the £27,192 shown on Jeremy Corbyn's P60 - and therefore his tax return - of £3,395 was a pension contribution. MPs are members of a contributory pension scheme.

[ElishaScottBC]

Why doesn't Jeremy Corbyn sing and dance about it on X Factor? Why no viral video on tax returns? Why not swinging on wrecking balls and licking sledgehammers? Unliked and unsubscribed.

 

What about Ed Balls he's a decent mover and shaker in the political scene, he gets a thumbs up 10/10 . Liked and subscribed.

 

Sign out.

[Boss]

It's a load of bollocks. Cameron's father had lots of earnings in shell companies and it's plausible to assume he could've paid for David's private school education through use of tax avoidance. Yet Corbyn gets slated for releasing a completely accurate tax return. What a joke of a system, and people still like to pretend the coverage of him is fair and balanced. Lies and diversion tactics. 

[Section_31]

If there's one thing you can't accuse Corbyn of it's money grubbing, doesn't he have one of the lowest expenses claims? Of all the things people could smear him with, in a country - a Tory fucking country - where it's absolutely rife from top do bottom - is laughable.

[lifetime fan]

If there's one thing you can't accuse Corbyn of it's money grubbing, doesn't he have one of the lowest expenses claims? Of all the things people could smear him with, in a country - a Tory fucking country - where it's absolutely rife from top do bottom - is laughable.

That's not the point though mate.

 

Everyone knew the media agenda would be incompetence and not tax avoidance.

 

You even had the fucking beeb leading with criticism from within the Labour Party.

 

I fucking hate the right wing press in this country. So don't make their job any fucking easier!

 

And that's from a two time Corbyn voter - hardly an agenda as some have claimed.

[Section_31]

That's not the point though mate.

 

Everyone knew the media agenda would be incompetence and not tax avoidance.

 

You even had the fucking beeb leading with criticism from within the Labour Party.

 

I fucking hate the right wing press in this country. So don't make their job any fucking easier!

 

And that's from a two time Corbyn voter - hardly an agenda as some have claimed.

But if that's the case that means he'd never be able to make a mistake, and even if it's not a mistake they could still manufacture one.

 

Corbyn got more shit for 'not bowing his head low enough' at a memorial than Cameron got for fucking a pig.

[lifetime fan]

But if that's the case that means he'd never be able to make a mistake, and even if it's not a mistake they could still manufacture one.

 

Corbyn got more shit for 'not bowing his head low enough' at a memorial than Cameron got for fucking a pig.

No one has ever claimed it's a level playing field.

 

That's why it's so fucking important you don't create the story for the cunts.

[VladimirIlyich]

No one has ever claimed it's a level playing field.

 

That's why it's so fucking important you don't create the story for the cunts.

But there is nothing you can do about lies,simply nothing other than refute them.

[Barrington Womble]

 

 

That's not the point though mate.

 

Everyone knew the media agenda would be incompetence and not tax avoidance.

 

You even had the fucking beeb leading with criticism from within the Labour Party.

 

I fucking hate the right wing press in this country. So don't make their job any fucking easier!

 

And that's from a two time Corbyn voter - hardly an agenda as some have claimed.

Spot on that.

[moof]

What exactly should he have done differently?

[Barrington Womble]

What exactly should he have done differently?

As I said pages ago, as a leader he needs to get his PLP onside, the media onside, which will ultimately help him get the electorate on side. That's what leaders do, they find a way.

[lifetime fan]

What exactly should he have done differently?

 

 

If he's going to publish his tax returns...

His chancellor is trying to make members of the public who earn over a million pounds publish their tax returns...

And the party are obviously going to try and use it as a political advantage against the government...

 

Then you have everyone on message, your media spokesman knows your tax return inside out, they should fucking know what questions are coming up and have answers ready to ram home your point.

 

Like I said, this story was never going to be about tax avoidance, it was always going to be about incompetence.

 

And labour have yet again tone the right wing press' fucking job for them.

[magicrat]

If he's going to publish his tax returns...

His chancellor is trying to make members of the public who earn over a million pounds publish their tax returns...

And the party are obviously going to try and use it as a political advantage against the government...

 

Then you have everyone on message, your media spokesman knows your tax return inside out, they should fucking know what questions are coming up and have answers ready to ram home your point.

 

Like I said, this story was never going to be about tax avoidance, it was always going to be about incompetence.

 

And labour have yet again tone the right wing press' fucking job for them.

 

Nail on the head there

[moof]

There shouldn't have been a story. All he did was release a full and complete tax return. How the fuck is he supposed to preempt the media narrative, when they just make shit up?

[Rico1304]

There shouldn't have been a story. All he did was release a full and complete tax return. How the fuck is he supposed to preempt the media narrative, when they just make shit up?

From what I can read there's still confusion over his return, I'm a million miles from being a tax lawyer but ive read it looks like his accountant has defined his wage as leader of the opposition as a benefit - like incapacity benefit.

 

I don't think he's tried to fiddle but if you are trying to appear as whiter than white then...

[Jairzinho]

There shouldn't have been a story. All he did was release a full and complete tax return. How the fuck is he supposed to preempt the media narrative, when they just make shit up?

Time to go with the Trump tactics. Just call them all bullshitting cunts.

[lifetime fan]

There shouldn't have been a story. All he did was release a full and complete tax return. How the fuck is he supposed to preempt the media narrative, when they just make shit up?

Because even a fucking simpleton knew the right wing press and tories would go through his tax return with a fine tooth comb, to find any angle to completely change the topic and deflect any criticism.

 

If the leadership of the Labour Party can't even see that, then not only are they incompetent they're fucking stupid.

[lifetime fan]

But there is nothing you can do about lies,simply nothing other than refute them.

You can start by not giving them the ammunition to start the lies.

[magicrat]

Time to go with the Trump tactics.

 

By never submitting any tax returns. Brilliant !

[moof]

Because even a fucking simpleton knew the right wing press and tories would go through his tax return with a fine tooth comb, to find any angle to completely change the topic and deflect any criticism.

 

If the leadership of the Labour Party can't even see that, then not only are they incompetent they're fucking stupid.

It's only incompetence when you judge it through the lens of media bias. If you look at his actions and listen to his words you get a completely different picture.

 

Again, how is he supposed to preempt the media narrative when they're telling quantifiable lies?

 

He's the victim of an ongoing smear campaign and it's a shame that so many people are willing to gloss over that fact.

 

 

He's making an excellent speech on the budget as we speak, im sure it'll be completely overshadowed by the length of his tie or something while the Tories get a free ride.

 

Fuck this country.

[lifetime fan]

It's only incompetence when you judge it through the lens of media bias. If you look at his actions and listen to his words you get a completely different picture.

 

Again, how is he supposed to preempt the media narrative when they're telling quantifiable lies?

 

He's the victim of an ongoing smear campaign and it's a shame that so many people are willing to gloss over that fact.

 

 

He's making an excellent speech on the budget as we speak, im sure it'll be completely overshadowed by the length of his tie or something while the Tories get a free ride.

 

Fuck this country.

Because anyone with two fucking brain cells know they're going to!

 

I voted for him twice because I'm a socialist, I want a socialist party in government and I want a socialist PM.

 

He's now making that outcome impossible, it was nigh on impossible anyway, agreed.

 

But he's making it worse for socialists not better.

 

I like him, admire his values and voted for him twice.

 

He's just an incompetent leader of a fucking incompetent party.

[Anubis]

As ever, a reality check from Zelo Street. And given Tim Fenton is no Corbyn fan, he can't be accused of any bias.

 

 

http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/guido-fawked-corbyn-tax-smear-busted.html

 

 

Guido Fawked - Corbyn Tax Smear BUSTED

 

Leading figures in the Labour Party have been demonstrating their commitment to openness by publishing their tax returns, perhaps spurred on by the flat refusal of Chancellor Philip Hammond to do so when challenged on The Andy Marr Show ™ yesterday. So shadow chancellor John McDonnell has released his return, and so has party leader Jeremy Corbyn. So far, so straightforward.

 

But waiting in the wings, as all too often, were the perpetually thirsty Paul Staines and his rabble at the Guido Fawkes blog, ready to pounce on Jezza’s tax return and pass severely adverse comment upon it. This duty was delegated to newly anointed teaboy Alex “Billy Liar” Wickham, who duly discovered - or believed he had discovered - that Jezza had missed his opposition leader’s payment off his return.

 

So it was that the Fawkes folks proclaimed “£40,000 missing from Corbyn’s tax return”, and far too many other pundits took the claim as true. But as Zelo Street has warned time and again, one should never, but never, take Wickham, who lies when he draws breath, on trust. “It is an offence not to declare income correctly. Remember he messed up last year’s tax return too and had to pay a £100 fine” gurgled Wickham happily.

 

But, as Captain Blackadder might have observed, there was only one thing wrong with this idea - it was bollocks. For starters, Corbyn’s tax return did have the opposition leader’s payment on it, albeit under “Pensions and state benefits”. And the amount of that payment was not £40,000: the tax return was for 2015-16, and Jezza did not become Labour leader until September of that year. So he didn’t get £40,000.

 

till, if at first you don’t succeed, well, suck some more seed, eh? And so it came to pass that Wickham was back on the attack this morning. The Fawkes rabble were wrong about Jezza missing the opposition leader’s dosh off the tax return - but now they had found that the amount shown was £27,192, and Government accounts said he’d had £30,587. So Wickham was still right - well, sort of. Wasn’t he?

 

Well, no he wasn’t, and as Jon Stewart might have said, two things here. One, £27,192 is a pretty good approximation of £40,000 per annum, pro rata for the period from September 2015 to early April 2016 - and the Fawkes mob claimed £40,000 yesterday, remember?

 

 

And two, Jezza’s team has confirmed that the £27,192 figure comes from his P60. Which is issued by … his employer, not by him or his accountant. The numbers declared by Corbyn are therefore almost certainly correct - the discrepancy could be an employer’s pension contribution … made by that same employer.

 

But what is clear is that Alex Wickham has once again been caught not just lying, but also giving the rest of the press pack a serious bum steer. One of these days they are going to get wise to the Fawkes rabble and their propensity to peddle Fake News.

 

Jeremy Corbyn’s tax return has nothing missing. Another fine mess, once again.

[uPDATE 1605 hours: news has just arrived on Zelo Street to confirm that my assumption that the discrepancy between the £30,587 shown on the Government accounts and the £27,192 shown on Jeremy Corbyn's P60 - and therefore his tax return - of £3,395 was a pension contribution was correct. MPs are members of a contributory pension scheme.

On top of all that, Corbyn's tax return shows a donation of £5,420 to charity. This amount is the MPs' pay rise which Corbyn decided he would forego - and said at the time he would indeed donate the amount to charity. So the claims by the Fawkes rabble are 100% wrong, which is quite an achievement, even for practised liars like Alex Wickham. Another fine mess, once again]

 

 

http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/guido-fawked-corbyn-tax-excuse-fails.html

 

 

Guido Fawked - Corbyn Tax Excuse FAILS

 

After the attempts by the perpetually thirsty Paul Staines and his rabble at the Guido Fawkes blog to pretend that Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn had done something wrong in preparing his tax return fell flat yesterday, the time has clearly come for The Great Guido to somehow spin the whole exercise as someone else’s fault. So yesterday afternoon we read “Corbyn Blames Tax Row On Media/Cabinet Office Conspiracy”.

 

This, like the original claims about Jezza’s tax return, was penned by Staines’ newly anointed teaboy Alex “Billy Liar” Wickham, and like those originals, it is substantially untrue. Corbyn has not blamed the row, such as it is, on a conspiracy. The only reason for Wickham, who lies when he draws breath, to use the C-word is so he can attempt to occupy the moral high ground and dump on everyone else for his own dishonesty.

 

 

The presentation of the Fawkes mob’s latest attempt to drive the media narrative to suit their own ends has been presented as a blow-by-blow account, but given Wickham wrote it, it is both selective and dishonest. So let’s have a closer look.

 

“9pm last night: Journalists first began to query whether Jeremy Corbyn’s tax return included his salary as Leader of the Opposition. Corbyn’s team did not provide an answer”.

 

 

Very good, Alex. Now the reality: Wickham posted his first - wrong - effort at 2029 hours (you can see the date and time stamp on the screen shot). That was what was picked up - unwisely - by some of those real journalists, some of whom work to an agenda where Corbyn is inevitably painted as the bad guy (they are, of course, free to do this - Zelo Street makes no suggestion to the contrary - I’m just pointing out the susceptibility of too many hacks to take on trust what they should check out first). But do go on.

 

“1am this morning: Corbyn’s team released a statement explaining that he included his LOTO payments in the pensions and benefits section, rather than the employment section. They did not say why”.

 

 

Two things here. One, no conclusion could be drawn by anyone over not getting a response from the Labour leader’s office late on a Sunday evening - although Wickham is trying to suggest an indiction of guilt. And two, why the actual f*** should they start giving a running commentary and spoon-feeding clueless hacks who can’t distinguish between a tax return and a hole in the sodding ground? And there’s more.

 

“9am this morning: It emerged that the government’s accounts show a different figure for his LOTO earnings, and say it is a ‘salary’. Corbyn’s team did not have an explanation for the discrepancy”.

 

First thing in the Parliamentary week, and Jezza’s team have better things to do than reply to conspiracy theorists at the Fawkes blog. Big deal, film at 11.

 

 

Plus - once again - if the Fawkes rabble and their pals in the mainstream press are such experts on this subject, why the heck can’t they get off their arses and investigate themselves? Zelo Street took one look at the “discrepancy” and concluded it was most likely a pension contribution. AND IT WAS A PENSION CONTRIBUTION. Next!

 

“3pm this afternoon: Corbyn’s team explain the discrepancy in a new statement: ‘This figure is calculated after deducting the waivers Jeremy has made of earlier increases to the benefit… A parliamentary pension contribution of £3,395 was also deducted’. They blame the Cabinet Office for not clearing it up and offshore media owners for having ulterior motives”.

 

This is, as might be expected from Wickham, mostly bullshit. So let’s pick apart the steaming mess.

 

 

The Fawkes folks now have it spoon-fed to them: it was a pension contribution. Moreover, it was in the Cabinet Office’s power to point the hacks in the right direction, yet they took no action. So Jezza’s team has every right to express its frustration.

 

As to those “offshore media owners”, let’s see what Team Corbyn actually said: “The owners of the media companies that have attempted to cast doubt over Jeremy’s transparent and accurate tax return are of course among those who could stand to lose from the tax transparency and justice the British people demand. Jeremy believes firmly in transparency. These media barons have tax questions of their own to answer”

 

Corbyn and his team are not “blaming” any media owners. They are merely making a statement of the bleeding obvious. Media owners do indeed have tax questions to answer - including Paul Staines, who has registered his blog, er, OFFSHORE.

 

 

The only conspiracy theory being peddled here is not the work of Corbyn or his team, but by The Great Guido, in pretending that there was something dodgy about Jezza’s tax return when there was not.

 

Moreover, it has not passed without comment that neither the Fawkes rabble, nor their pals in the right-leaning press, have said a dickybird about the Tories coming clean and releasing their own tax returns - which our not at all unelected Prime Minister and her Chancellor of the Exchequer have steadfastly declined to do.

 

Alex Wickham’s snivelling excuse note fails to explain away his failings, and those of his deeply unpleasant boss: the Fawkes blog’s claims about Corbyn’s tax return were made not from knowledge, but from a combination of ignorance and malevolence.

 

If the Fawkes rabble want to pretend they are journalists - they aren’t - then they should quit sneering and smearing, and do some journalism - like figuring out how to read tax returns. Stop blaming Corbyn and his team. Stop pretending a big boy did it and ran away.

 

And as to the real journalists who give this shower a free pass - do your own journalism and stop lazily taking talking points from a bunch of frauds who wouldn’t know journalism if it jumped up and kicked them in the undercarriage. Do your jobs for once.

 

The Corbyn tax return saga shows anyone who needs to know what a sorry state our free and fearless press has got itself into. Another fine mess, once again.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

As I said pages ago, as a leader he needs to get his PLP onside, the media onside, which will ultimately help him get the electorate on side. That's what leaders do, they find a way.

That invites the same question again.

 

What exactly should he do?

 

The (print) media are controlled by a tiny handful of right-wing tax-dodging billionaires.  There is no way he could cosy up to them and keep a shred of integrity.  They were more than happy to carry out relentless character assassinations even on Kinnock and Milliband - leaders from the right wing of the Labour Party - so they will never give up on attacking someone from the left until they have destroyed him.

 

The only alternative is to work around them, but that would require the entire Labour Party putting their united energies into arguing for Labour policies and working for a Labour Government.  Unfortunately, a large number of MPs believe that their main job is to work against the hundreds of thousands of Labour Party members who voted for Jeremy Corbyn.  No lie is too despicable; no smear too heinous for these treacherous cunts - and, of course, the media lap it up.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

A reminder of the anti-democratic nature of the cunt wing of the labour Party.

https://skwawkbox.org/2017/03/08/no-brick-bullying-or-charges-but-wallasey-vice-chair-suspended-expulsion-likely/

 

The SKWAWKBOX has reported at length on the fiasco in Wallasey, where the local party has been suspended after ridiculous – and long since discredited – allegations of homophobia and intimidation.

Not only that, but the constituency’s Labour MP, Angela Eagle, claimed to have the support of the party’s leader when in fact he had attended an NEC hearing to oppose her, while claims of abusive phone-calls remain completely unevidenced and police finally admittedthat the infamous broken window was not in Angela Eagle’s office – and that there was no ‘brick’.

By contrast, allegations against Mr Davies have been proven to be false – but no action has so far been taken against the dishonest accusers.

In their announcements today about the suspension, the media have shown themselves to be contemptibly lazy and misleading:

• There is no mention that the allegations against Mr Davies are limited to his public defence of his members’ innocence – innocence which has been put beyond doubt by the NEC’s decision to quietly drop all charges against the CLP except the one against Davies for defending its members
• articles such as one in the Huffington Post mention ‘key conditions to prevent further incidents of abuse’ and parrot the thoroughly-discredited NEC report as if it’s factual, when the decision to pursue no disciplinary action for the supposed abuse at the CLP’s AGM shows it to be unfounded nonsense
• a statement by an Eagle spokesperson talks of ‘exceptionally serious‘ charges against Davies and is quoted without comment
• articles state that the suspension of the CLP has been lifted when the SKWAWKBOX has spoken this evening to Wallasey members and no such notification has been given to members

It would take only minutes to gather enough information to give a fair portrayal of events, but that appears to be too much effort – or else simply not what they want to portray – and the journalists in question should be embarrassed.

But all that pales into insignificance compared to the disgrace of those who are behind the continued persecution of good Labour members for the basest of political purposes – and against the CLP’s executive committee, which has acted properly at all times and now finds itself removed so that a new exec can be selected, while members and officers are forced to undergo ‘special measures’ training on LGBT issues and proper behaviour when they have done nothing untoward.

Details provided about the timings of the newly-announced steps make the real reasons for the unforgivable mistreatment of a good CLP unmistakably clear.

• Angela Eagle does not even attempt to hide her desire to ‘get ready for a possible general election’ that would give her a further 5 years in office – but only if the CLP is not allowed to deselect her, in line with the vote of no-confidence that was planned and would have been massively carried, if the abuse allegations had not ‘conveniently’ been made
• the suspension – if it is indeed planned – will not take place until after the local elections in May, which conveniently (that word comes up a LOT when considering the events in Wallasey!) protects a set of right-wing councillors who had admittedthat they expected to be deselected before those very elections

Paul Davies – a hugely popular figure in the local party and hot favourite to replace Angela Eagle as candidate and then MP if he were not being stitched up in this way – has sent an email to supporters and friends in the CLP.

Under the heading ‘My suspension for alleged bullying and harrassment‘, it is a model of dignity that stands in stark contrast to the dishonesty and ulterior motives of his accusers and persecutors:

Good evening all.

You may have seen in the media that today  I have been suspended as an individual member because of allegations of bullying and harassment so I thought I would clarify the situation.

As far as I know this 

refers to my public challenge to those individuals who made false allegations

 about what happened at our AGM last year. I challenged them to 

take a lie detector test and stated that I would do the same

. Apparently it has been suggested that 

this constitutes bullying and harassment

of witnesses.

In the meantime 

no one has been found guilty of any misconduct

 at the AGM because of course there was none.

I will keep you posted.

Paul Davies

The Labour party cannot be true to its foundations and principles while such abhorrent and nakedly self-serving treatment of its members by an insider clique is allowed to continue.

And it will not cease to continue until the members of that clique find themselves done to as they have done to others and seek to do to Paul Davies and his like.

Expelled – only with far more cause and not a shred of reasonable doubt to protect them.