The Decline of the Media

[ZonkoVille77]

 

But there is still an appetite  for news we can trust. Media channels that can deliver that will prosper.

 

This is true. I'm sure we'd all love our news from trusted channels.

But where are these channels going to come from? It costs a far amount to run a channel, so it would mean a sugar daddy with an honest social conscience. There aren't many of those guys (or gals) around.

[ZonkoVille77]

tl/dr

Give it a go. It might enlighten you.

[Section_31]

The internet and twenty four hour news and sports channels mean that print media as we knew it is gone forever.

 

But there is still an appetite  for news we can trust. Media channels that can deliver that will prosper.

 

Can't remember what I posted on this thread so going to write it anyway, but there are a lot of smaller print operations sprouting up now that are doing well, as well as hyper local websites. 

 

I don't usually go in for conspiratorial stuff along these lines, but most of the local newspapers in this country are owned by the 'big three' corporations and they've all been run into the ground and turned into purely commercial operations. There was essentially a pogram against anyone with journalistic integrity and they were all bought off and laid off years ago.

 

There is no real local press now holding councils, the police or the government to account save for a few individual bloggers. the likes of the MEN doesn't even cover North Manchester now, only south because that's where  the advertising money is. 

 

It's not the media's body that's the problem, it's its soul - it's been bought. 

[xerxes]

This is true. I'm sure we'd all love our news from trusted channels.

But where are these channels going to come from? It costs a far amount to run a channel, so it would mean a sugar daddy with an honest social conscience. There aren't many of those guys (or gals) around.

 

I think that in the short term it is a case of finding presenters whose opinions we trust.

 

I am not sure that any Channel can command that trust anymore.

[ZonkoVille77]

xerxes, on 31 Aug 2016 - 12:24 PM, said:

 

I think that in the short term it is a case of finding presenters whose opinions we trust.

 

That's a huge problem to being with. All the younger new presenters have already been bought out, both financially and metaphorically.

We're not likely to get presenters we trust in mainstream media. Just a few more of the same aul, same aul. It's gone down the pan.

Social Media and Independent sites/bloggers is the best we can hope for, for the foreseeable future.

[ZonkoVille77]

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/29/theresa-may-meeting-rupert-murdoch-times-sun

 

Not really surprising.

[Anubis]

Only natural that she should visit the Emperor to bend knee and kiss his ring.

 

This is what we are up against.

[Rotpeter]

That's a huge problem to being with. All the younger new presenters have already been bought out, both financially and metaphorically.

We're not likely to get presenters we trust in mainstream media. Just a few more of the same aul, same aul. It's gone down the pan.

Social Media and Independent sites/bloggers is the best we can hope for, for the foreseeable future.

Triangulate, including the source documents if any. Only, chance you got. Truth is a super-position, anyway.

[sir roger]

On a side point is it my laptop & broadband that struggles with the Mirror website , or is it awful for everybody ?

[Paulie Dangerously]

I bought a copy of the "I" the other day and was appalled how hard I found it to read a whole article.

 

My attention is broken

[VladimirIlyich]

I bought a copy of the "I" the other day and was appalled how hard I found it to read a whole article.

 

My attention is broken

I think you'll find that its more likely the 'i' thats the cause of that. It began as a decent little newspaper until it just began to churn out the same inane celebrity,fashion and banal bullshit all the others do. Probably all about the advertisers again.

[Jairzinho]

I think you'll find that its more likely the 'i' thats the cause of that. It began as a decent little newspaper until it just began to churn out the same inane celebrity,fashion and banal bullshit all the others do. Probably all about the advertisers again.

 

Yes, it's almost unreadable now.

 

"10 best lamp shades"

 

"Best hotels in Antigua"

 

Fuck off.

[Section_31]

The 'i' was sold to Johnston press when the independent went online, a local newspaper firm and an absolute car crash of a company, haven't read it but I imagine a lot of its new content is taken from its local newspapers and topped up with press association stories, which is where the mirror and metro get most of their stuff.

[Tony Moanero]

It's 50p now isn't it?

 

Started off at 20p and was well worth that.

[VladimirIlyich]

It's 50p now isn't it?

 

Started off at 20p and was well worth that.

Yes it was,but leaving yesterdays headlines on your arsehole after a shit is a major inconvenience.

[Strontium]

I think you'll find that its more likely the 'i' thats the cause of that. It began as a decent little newspaper until it just began to churn out the same inane celebrity,fashion and banal bullshit all the others do. Probably all about the advertisers again.

 

 

Yes, it's almost unreadable now.

 

"10 best lamp shades"

 

"Best hotels in Antigua"

 

Fuck off.

 

Bizarre. It's virtually the same now as it always was, there is barely any celebrity coverage, and the "10 best" feature has been there since day one.

[Strontium]

haven't read it but I imagine

 

You'd never guess.

 

Other than its own content, under the deal struck when it was sold off it also licenses stuff from the Independent and Evening Standard. So, again, business as usual.

[Paulie Dangerously]

Fucking state of the independent website now. Like the fucking echo.  

 

[Strontium]

People don't want to pay for journalism, but they don't want ads. I'm not sure there's a way of squaring that circle.

[Stu Monty]

People don't want to pay for journalism, but they don't want ads. I'm not sure there's a way of squaring that circle.

 

I think that if people like us on here want to have journalists employed to even try and hold people to account over the next few years then subscribing to a newspaper or news organisation is going to be something we have to do. 

 

The fact that when you do that they may well then be supine, cowardly careerists that will bend the knee for access to the game is a risk we'll have to take.

 

I see that there was a story today pushed out by Trump about some factory he was saving from moving to Mexico that was totally false. That Hypernormalisation looks to be pretty instructive right now.

[stringvest]

We are living in post-fact times.

[razor]

I worry The Independent is on its way out.  I have thought this for a year or so.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Too many opinion pieces and way way too many opinion pieces that are based on bullshit and zero evidence. The media wants all the press freedoms and none of the responsibility, it needs shaking to its very core. The media barons hold way too much sway.

[Jairzinho]

I worry The Independent is on its way out. I have thought this for a year or so.

Hope so.

[razor]

Hope so.

 

But that would be to deny the fact that The Independent brought Robert Fisk to a wider audience, wouldn't it?