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2 hours ago, aRdja said:

You could argue Pep hasn’t won any trophy worth more than both Mancini and Pellegrini, despite adding £1bn worth of players. Anws, Potter spent his money on Championship players really, and made them play very nice football on a regular basis outplaying the defending champions twice last season. If you look at their expected points alone they would’ve finished fifth last season. If I was in charge of Spurs, I wouldn’t waste my time looking to bring in Jurgen Klopp the CL and PL winner, I’d be looking for a Jurgen Klopp from his Mainz days, and Graham Potter is the closest you can find to that profile. 

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. If you think potter can make an excuse that he's got championship players because he bought them whilst at a premier League club, that's fine. I think it's a cop out. 

 

As for the pep hasn't done better than Mancini stuff, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that too. The bloke has twice won the league with the most points ever. If you can't see that's different, good for you. We clearly value different things. 

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19 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. If you think potter can make an excuse that he's got championship players because he bought them whilst at a premier League club, that's fine. I think it's a cop out. 

 

As for the pep hasn't done better than Mancini stuff, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that too. The bloke has twice won the league with the most points ever. If you can't see that's different, good for you. We clearly value different things. 

What are their options? Allegri’s gone back to Juve. Maybe Rodgers but Spurs sans Kane would probably be a step down from Leicester?

 

I don’t think Potter needs me to make excuses for him. Stats aren’t everything, but there’s something to be said about Brighton having the fifth highest expected points last season with Championship level squad, especially when the same metric predicted the make-up of the top four teams spot on. Putting stats aside, if you watched them play last season, the amount of games they dominated, and then lost because their forwards couldn’t score was ridiculous.

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2 minutes ago, aRdja said:

What are their options? Allegri’s gone back to Juve. Maybe Rodgers but Spurs sans Kane would probably be a step down from Leicester?

 

I don’t think Potter needs me to make an excuse for him. Stats aren’t everything, but there’s something to be said about Brighton having the fifth highest expected points last season, especially when the same metric predicted the make-up of the top four teams spot on. Putting stats aside, if you watched them play last season, the amount of games they dominated, and then lost because their forwards couldn’t score were ridiculous.

As I said, we won't agree. If you think the measure of a team and their manager is expected points, again that's fine. Personally I would suggest the teams they were playing knew you could let them have the ball, drag them out, they won't hurt you and you'll get your chances. It's why their expected position is not touching the same reality of their actual poisuton. Their points and goals for would suggest they're pretty easy to play against. 

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19 minutes ago, aRdja said:

What are their options? Allegri’s gone back to Juve. Maybe Rodgers but Spurs sans Kane would probably be a step down from Leicester?

 

I don’t think Potter needs me to make excuses for him. Stats aren’t everything, but there’s something to be said about Brighton having the fifth highest expected points last season with Championship level squad, especially when the same metric predicted the make-up of the top four teams spot on. Putting stats aside, if you watched them play last season, the amount of games they dominated, and then lost because their forwards couldn’t score was ridiculous.

You don’t score you don’t win. That was us a few year back and earlier this year.

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26 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

This. Why would he want to go there. Leicester are better.

Rodgers is lining himself up for the City job after Pep. That's the noise's I've heard from a few journalists. 

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2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

As I said, we won't agree. If you think the measure of a team and their manager is expected points, again that's fine. Personally I would suggest the teams they were playing knew you could let them have the ball, drag them out, they won't hurt you and you'll get your chances. It's why their expected position is not touching the same reality of their actual poisuton. Their points and goals for would suggest they're pretty easy to play against. 

I think we are closer than you think Barry. I am in agreement with you that they struggled to punish teams. What I’m trying to help you understand is that it wasn’t because they didn’t create good quality chances, it’s because they didn’t have good finishers. The Expected Points metric helps illustrate that. If they had Harry Kane or Aguero leading their line, chances are they’d be playing midweek football next season.

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33 minutes ago, No2 said:

Rodgers is lining himself up for the City job after Pep. That's the noise's I've heard from a few journalists. 

Would not be surprised. Hope he does.

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6 minutes ago, aRdja said:

I think we are closer than you think Barry. I am in agreement with you that they struggled to punish teams. What I’m trying to make you understand is that it wasn’t because they didn’t create good quality chances, it’s because they didn’t have good finishers. The Expected Points metric helps illustrate that. If they had Harry Kane or Aguero leading their line, chances are they’d be playing midweek football next season.

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8 hours ago, aRdja said:

I think we are closer than you think Barry. I am in agreement with you that they struggled to punish teams. What I’m trying to help you understand is that it wasn’t because they didn’t create good quality chances, it’s because they didn’t have good finishers. The Expected Points metric helps illustrate that. If they had Harry Kane or Aguero leading their line, chances are they’d be playing midweek football next season.

When you're 5th from bottom or whatever, you can have lads who help your midfield, help you dominate the games. But they won't be the same lads who score. Buy yourself a real goalscorer, then you'd almost be sure to lose in the build up. Football is a fine balancing act. I just think Brighton may play a different style of football than before, but they're every bit as flawed as under Hughton. I think that other fat headed cunt at Newcastle proves that - they choose to do it the other way, they defensively control games, have few chances but they're pretty good at taking them when they come along. 

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29 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

When you're 5th from bottom or whatever, you can have lads who help your midfield, help you dominate the games. But they won't be the same lads who score. Buy yourself a real goalscorer, then you'd almost be sure to lose in the build up. Football is a fine balancing act. I just think Brighton may play a different style of football than before, but they're every bit as flawed as under Hughton. I think that other fat headed cunt at Newcastle proves that - they choose to do it the other way, they defensively control games, have few chances but they're pretty good at taking them when they come along. 

You can of course on paper, but no other team in the bottom half of the table dominates the ball like Brighton, but that’s kind of besides the point, as a team they created good quality chances and all they needed was a better finisher than a run-of-the-mill Championship striker. I’m not not sure Newcastle is the best example to bring in, Brighton had much stronger defence, conceding 16 goals less than Newcastle. When you’re looking for a manager and you don’t have limitless cash, you’d really want the people making the calls to look beyond the league table. In Potter’s Brighton you have a team who plays good football, creates good quality chances and is very difficult to score against. If you were a Spurs fan then you’d hope Levy wouldn’t dismiss all of that just because they finished 16th, especially when the expected points metric tells you they’re they were desperately unlucky to finish that low. 

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