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52 minutes ago, aRdja said:

 the best example to bring in

Leeds - better players, better style, better manager, better results. Straight up from the Championship. They will be looking to get into Europe - Brighton will be looking to not get relegated.

 

 

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Graham Potter took over at a Swedish fourth division club with a small budget, got them as high as fifth in the top division, won them the Cup, and brought them to the knockout stages of the Europa League.

 

Whatever else you might say about him at Brighton (where I personally think he's done well), that's a brilliant achievement.

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32 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Leeds - better players, better style, better manager, better results. Straight up from the Championship. They will be looking to get into Europe - Brighton will be looking to not get relegated.

 

 

I agree Bielsa would be great for them. Big fan of his football. Not sure he’d want to move to Spurs though.

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Possession is bang overrated for most teams in this league. Most teams don't want  the  ball and want to sit deep and plsy on the counter. Brighton are middle of the table for it aswell, think its about 51%. There's only 2/3% separating most of the league anyway. He's done a good there but they are no better than Southampton. Whst Rodgers did with Swansea who had just got Promoted was far better

 

Possession 

Brighton 50.7

Swan 54.4

 

Shots 

Bri 12.8

Swan 13.3

 

Pass acc

Bri 81.3

Swan 84.4

 

Goals for

Bri 40

Swan 47

 

Against

Bri 46

Swan 51

 

Thats with a team just promoted bot a team in its 4th year of top flight. 

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25 minutes ago, Josef Svejk said:

Graham Potter took over at a Swedish fourth division club with a small budget, got them as high as fifth in the top division, won them the Cup, and brought them to the knockout stages of the Europa League.

 

Whatever else you might say about him at Brighton (where I personally think he's done well), that's a brilliant achievement.

Interesting 

 

On 17 April 2018, club chairman (also the director of football) Daniel Kindberg was taken into custody by the Swedish Economic Crime Authority, suspected on probable cause of serious fraud and for assisting in serious gross accounting violations.[12]Together with two other people, Kindberg is suspected of submitting false invoices in several companies, according to the prosecutor.[13] Several of these companies have strong ties to Östersunds FK and the club's sponsorship deals.[14][15] Several years before, in 2014, Kindberg was subject to criticism when Östersundshem, the municipal housing company where he was the CEO, became a big sponsor of Östersunds FK.[16][17]

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2 hours ago, Lee909 said:

Possession is bang overrated for most teams in this league. Most teams don't want  the  ball and want to sit deep and plsy on the counter. Brighton are middle of the table for it aswell, think its about 51%. There's only 2/3% separating most of the league anyway. He's done a good there but they are no better than Southampton. Whst Rodgers did with Swansea who had just got Promoted was far better

 

Possession 

Brighton 50.7

Swan 54.4

 

Shots 

Bri 12.8

Swan 13.3

 

Pass acc

Bri 81.3

Swan 84.4

 

Goals for

Bri 40

Swan 47

 

Against

Bri 46

Swan 51

 

Thats with a team just promoted bot a team in its 4th year of top flight. 

Rodgers is a good manager. I’m not arguing against that. He was a bit green in his time with us, but he’s proven himself now, with his achievements at Celtic, also over the last couple of years by finishing ahead of a number of big clubs. As I said earlier though, Spurs sans Kane would be a step down from where he currently is, no?

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2 hours ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

It is an interesting story. If only richer and more prominent clubs in other countries were held to the same standards...

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25 minutes ago, aRdja said:

Rodgers is a good manager. I’m not arguing against that. He was a bit green in his time with us, but he’s proven himself now, with his achievements at Celtic, also over the last couple of years by finishing ahead of a number of big clubs. As I said earlier though, Spurs sans Kane would be a step down from where he currently is, no?

Spurs have been utterly fucked by the new stadium/covid combo.

Which is nice.

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30 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

Spurs have been utterly fucked by the new stadium/covid combo.

Which is nice.

Yeah I think you’re right. They almost need to sell Kane. 

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7 minutes ago, aRdja said:

Yeah I think you’re right. They almost need to sell Kane. 

They still owe something like £800 million on the stadium then took £175 million loan from the government to cover Covid losses.  

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6 hours ago, Josef Svejk said:

Graham Potter took over at a Swedish fourth division club with a small budget, got them as high as fifth in the top division, won them the Cup, and brought them to the knockout stages of the Europa League.

 

Whatever else you might say about him at Brighton (where I personally think he's done well), that's a brilliant achievement.

Would those methods transfer to Malmo or Neuchatel Xamax though?

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8 hours ago, aRdja said:

You can of course on paper, but no other team in the bottom half of the table dominates the ball like Brighton, but that’s kind of besides the point, as a team they created good quality chances and all they needed was a better finisher than a run-of-the-mill Championship striker. I’m not not sure Newcastle is the best example to bring in, Brighton had much stronger defence, conceding 16 goals less than Newcastle. When you’re looking for a manager and you don’t have limitless cash, you’d really want the people making the calls to look beyond the league table. In Potter’s Brighton you have a team who plays good football, creates good quality chances and is very difficult to score against. If you were a Spurs fan then you’d hope Levy wouldn’t dismiss all of that just because they finished 16th, especially when the expected points metric tells you they’re they were desperately unlucky to finish that low. 

As I said several posts back, we'll have to agree to disagree. I can't get excited by teams (and "styles" of manager) who's aim is to bore the shite out of everyone so they can claim they won possession, even though they can't score. It's just a nonsense and you won't convince me anything special is happening at Brighton that warrants Potter getting a job with one of the top 10 budgets in world football and a bigger budget than juventus. 

3 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

They still owe something like £800 million on the stadium then took £175 million loan from the government to cover Covid losses.  

I think they've refinanced it all now. Both them and arsenal settled their government debts recently I believe. They've both just taken that as it was effectively free money. 

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8 hours ago, aRdja said:

I agree Bielsa would be great for them. Big fan of his football. Not sure he’d want to move to Spurs though.

I was talking to my Leeds supporting mate about Bielsa. I think he is a great manager but pointed out he never seems to be linked with anyone.

After sitting through 10 minutes of "he gets us" "he is 100% Leeds through and through" I drew my own conclusion that he is too much of a liability. Everywhere else he has been he has walked out. I think Leeds suites him as he has them by the balls, he doesn't have to tie himself down to anything more than 1 year at a time and doesn't really have to answer to anyone. Not sure there are many other clubs that would give a manager that much leeway.

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20 minutes ago, Colt Seavers said:

After sitting through 10 minutes of "he gets us" "he is 100% Leeds through and through"

You did well to get through ten minutes.

 

Your mate did well to keep it to ten minutes.

 

Jeez - I hope that Beilsa bubble bursts soon. 

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7 hours ago, Josef Svejk said:

It is an interesting story. If only richer and more prominent clubs in other countries were held to the same standards...

True. Their rise coincided with him being chairman.

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4 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Would those methods transfer to Malmo or Neuchatel Xamax though?

Roy did very well at Malmo an awful long time ago. But then Malmo are traditionally one of Sweden's biggest and most successful clubs... 

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3 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

I think they've refinanced it all now. Both them and arsenal settled their government debts recently I believe. They've both just taken that as it was effectively free money. 

Oh aye? So they basically just had 12 months or whatever of reduced interest on their existing debt? Makes sense.

They still must owe the best part of a billion quid though.

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3 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

As I said several posts back, we'll have to agree to disagree. I can't get excited by teams (and "styles" of manager) who's aim is to bore the shite out of everyone so they can claim they won possession, even though they can't score. It's just a nonsense and you won't convince me anything special is happening at Brighton that warrants Potter getting a job with one of the top 10 budgets in world football and a bigger budget than juventus. 

I think they've refinanced it all now. Both them and arsenal settled their government debts recently I believe. They've both just taken that as it was effectively free money. 

I suppose what I’m trying to say is judging them by their position alone lacks nuance. If Watzke took the same approach as you they wouldn’t have gone anywhere near Jurgen Klopp. Who would you go for if you were Daniel Levy apart from Steve Bruce?

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52 minutes ago, aRdja said:

I suppose what I’m trying to say is judging them by their position alone lacks nuance. If Watzke took the same approach as you they wouldn’t have gone anywhere near Jurgen Klopp. Who would you go for if you were Daniel Levy apart from Steve Bruce?

Results matter. You can be as nuanced as you want, but they matter. It's not like potter has been there 5 minutes, he's had 2 seasons, most of which have been played in sterile environments. I see nothing in his body of work at Brighton that suggests he's any more suited for the spurs job than he was 2 years ago when he started there. I really do understand you think he's great. I just disagree. 

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1 hour ago, Jose Jones said:

Oh aye? So they basically just had 12 months or whatever of reduced interest on their existing debt? Makes sense.

They still must owe the best part of a billion quid though.

Yeah. I think they could officially only use the previous loan for certain things or there were certain restrictions. So it was better for them to take a regular deal at a market rate. 

 

Edit... I've just had a quick look for a news story around it. I can't see anything but I picked it up off the Price of Football podcast. 

 

Edit, edit .... Here you go. https://www-tottenhamhotspur-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2021/june/club-announcement-finance-update-ccff-repaid-short-term-debt-replaced-with-long-term/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a6&gamp=true&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_ct=1624620660185&amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16246206179194&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tottenhamhotspur.com%2Fnews%2F2021%2Fjune%2Fclub-announcement-finance-update-ccff-repaid-short-term-debt-replaced-with-long-term%2F

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13 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Results matter. You can be as nuanced as you want, but they matter. It's not like potter has been there 5 minutes, he's had 2 seasons, most of which have been played in sterile environments. I see nothing in his body of work at Brighton that suggests he's any more suited for the spurs job than he was 2 years ago when he started there. I really do understand you think he's great. I just disagree. 

His latest project Baz. Doing it to death as usual. 

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21 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

His latest project Baz. Doing it to death as usual. 

Aye, to go with Patrick Bamford who I could make a sarcastic comment about, but it'll only start a similar exchange to this one! 

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