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So, world war three


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Anyone with a cursory appreciation of the history of the world should be fully aware that ideologies like feudalism and Nazism have been killed off, and communism and Islamofascism are on the same path. The last thousand years of human history have seen a fairly consistent growth in human rights and freedoms, to the extent that they are now legalising pot in America, of all places.

 

And why would you need to explain my own arguments to me? How utterly bizarre.

 

Often hear this argument from defenders of the status quo. It's a bit simplistic because it ignores the negative effects of those "freedoms" and it also doesn't take into account that the rate of change may be better under a different system. Steven Pinker is an annoying example of someone who pushes this argument to the exclusion of others. 

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Often hear this argument from defenders of the status quo. It's a bit simplistic because it ignores the negative effects of those "freedoms" and it also doesn't take into account that the rate of change may be better under a different system. Steven Pinker is an annoying example of someone who pushes this argument to the exclusion of others.

Yes, fucking freedom is shit. Much better to have a fucking nutcase like you deciding things.

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Often hear this argument from defenders of the status quo. It's a bit simplistic because it ignores the negative effects of those "freedoms" and it also doesn't take into account that the rate of change may be better under a different system. Steven Pinker is an annoying example of someone who pushes this argument to the exclusion of others.

 

Weed was legal in america before america was 'discovered', 500 years and much genocide later a small slither of the vast country permits it again, sd claims progress?

As far as I can see Islamofascism is as big as its ever been.

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Anyone with a cursory appreciation of the history of the world should be fully aware that ideologies like feudalism and Nazism have been killed off, and communism and Islamofascism are on the same path. The last thousand years of human history have seen a fairly consistent growth in human rights and freedoms, to the extent that they are now legalising pot in America, of all places.

 

And why would you need to explain my own arguments to me? How utterly bizarre.

 

Nazism and Fascism haven't been killed off though. The experiment that took Nazi propaganda and changed the word "Jew" for "migrant" and posted the comments in the Daily Mail comment section showed that it's alive and well, even in this country. Islam is bigger than ever, isn't it something like 2 billion people are muslim?

 

As dennis said weed has been smoked in the America's well before colonialism, so if anything it's regressed to the point were people have been going to jail for smoking a natural medicinal plant for years. Where's the human right and freedom in that?

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So because you can't smoke weed we have less freedoms than before colonial times. Although we were free to die by our 40's, live in poverty, never travel outside our villages, not be able to read or write and work 6.5 days a week.

You are obviously and embarrassingly unfamiliar with the land before columbus but thats ok those that are can stop cringing now.

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You are obviously and embarrassingly unfamiliar with the land before columbus but thats ok those that are can stop cringing now.

Fuck yes, I didn't know until a few weeks ago that native Americans didn't have horses until the Europeans arrived.

 

But we were talking about the world though....

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So have chimps, meerkats and thousands of other organisms. The ones that independently think things that aren't in the interest of their DNA, and act on them, still die off. We are not apart from nature no matter how much we'd like to think we are. We are clever apes.

Yes. But that doesn't mean people can't make decisions that go against their self interest for the benefit of others.

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Got higher literacy rates than Miami I think too.

 

I guess you have more time to read books (at least, the ones that haven't been banned) when you're restricted from using the Internet, watching or listening to foreign broadcasts and using mobile phones.

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Anyone with a cursory appreciation of the history of the world should be fully aware that ideologies like feudalism and Nazism have been killed off, and communism and Islamofascism are on the same path. The last thousand years of human history have seen a fairly consistent growth in human rights and freedoms, to the extent that they are now legalising pot in America, of all places.

 

And why would you need to explain my own arguments to me? How utterly bizarre.

 

I would need to explain them to you as you repeatedly fail to understand the actual meanings of human freedom and human liberty. You make bizarre comments about how pot being legalised (in a country with the highest percentage of it's population LITERALLY having had their freedom taken from them in a jail) is some huge indicator of freedom. You make daft statements where you use concepts like socialism as a synonym for restricting personal liberty or freedom. So you need your arguments explained, or more accurately, corrected for you. 

 

The idea that oppressive ideologies "have been killed off" is such a lazy and blase reading of the world (and astounding coming from a descendant of a people that only half a century ago were nearly obliterated in five years). 

 

If you were right and all attempts to undermine the personal liberty of the individual were doomed to failure then we'd all have wonderful personal liberty now, with occasional outbreaks of nastiness that are then put down.

 

If I am right and attempts to undermine personal liberty are consistent, persistent and constantly shifting to remain in our world then...well, then you'd look at the world we have today and see it all around you. 

 

You'd maybe even look at a party that stands on personal liberty (as misguided as they may sometimes be) getting less votes than one that stands for lazy racism in the UK and have a little fucking think about what that means.

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So because you can't smoke weed we have less freedoms than before colonial times. Although we were free to die by our 40's, live in poverty, never travel outside our villages, not be able to read or write and work 6.5 days a week.

 

No. Because you could smoke weed before colonialism it isn't a very good point to make out that you can now smoke it again is a great indicator of personal freedom.

 

It wasn't a particularly hard point to grasp. 

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Yes. But that doesn't mean people can't make decisions that go against their self interest for the benefit of others.

 

I doubt there'd be many examples you could give me where I couldn't see the benefit to the organism and their DNA. Bees sacrifice themselves for the greater good. It's not altruism. It's just the best mechanism of reproducing more Bee DNA. 

 

The ones that act against their own interest just decrease their odds of making the cut to the next generation. 

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I doubt there'd be many examples you could give me where I couldn't see the benefit to the organism and their DNA. Bees sacrifice themselves for the greater good. It's not altruism. It's just the best mechanism of reproducing more Bee DNA.

 

The ones that act against their own interest just decrease their odds of making the cut to the next generation.

Haven't you decided not to have kids?

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