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Inequality


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8 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

you asked why football platers dont use a union to negotiate pay?

I said they use agents instead.

and Ive avoided the question?  

 

Whether they use an agent or not (many don't) is irrelevant.

 

You said bargaining collectively would give them more power, so why don't they bargain collectively?

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1 minute ago, Strontium said:

 

Whether they use an agent or not (many don't) is irrelevant.

 

You said bargaining collectively would give them more power, so why don't they bargain collectively?

because a player who players for man city is unlikely to command as much wages as some brick shithouse who plays for the george in anfield, in the business houses league. 

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49 minutes ago, Mudface said:

 

I used to work as a lab chemist and everyone else in the labs always used to complain they'd get a pay rise below what the (unionised) plant workers got. There was an artificial distinction between the plant and the lab, so we had to be recognised separately. I had a word with my local union rep and he laid on a meeting at a pub a couple of hundred yards from the site with a free buffet. Made sure everyone in the labs knew what was going on, thought we'd get a dozen or so sign ups which would be enough, and... no one but me and a mate (already in the union) turned up. Inevitably everyone whinged again when we got our flat 2.5% across the board later in the year and the plant guys negotiated 4.5%. Some people just can't be helped.

 

Probably couldn't stand the thought of spending any of their free time in pub with you. Preferred to take the hit. 

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1 hour ago, Arniepie said:

because a player who players for man city is unlikely to command as much wages as some brick shithouse who plays for the george in anfield, in the business houses league. 

 

Are you suggesting that a professional footballer might not have the same circumstances as someone working in an Amazon warehouse?

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4 hours ago, Strontium said:

 

Whether they use an agent or not (many don't) is irrelevant.

 

You said bargaining collectively would give them more power, so why don't they bargain collectively?

You are really trying to compare millionaire footballers individual bargaining to millions of people on minimum wages trying to negotiate a few quid a week? Even you are smarter than that.

You'll find that the further down the tiers you go that a lot actually do use their Union and it's reps too. Unsurprisingly the ones who have their career ended prematurely are those most in need of Union representation. Just like real life actually. These people also have a shelf life of around 35 or so. Imagine being turfed out of your Civil Service job at 35 or so.

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12 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

You are really trying to compare millionaire footballers individual bargaining to millions of people on minimum wages trying to negotiate a few quid a week?

 

I was establishing a counterpoint to the point that was being made.

 

He acknowledged that not every worker benefits from collective bargaining, and that was the only point I was making.

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12 minutes ago, sir roger said:

I would love to see the video of Stronts storming in, looking for 5%, getting offered 7% and negotiating it down to 3%


No idea what this is about, but are you saying Stronts is Harry Kane’s brother?

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2 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

I was establishing a counterpoint to the point that was being made.

 

He acknowledged that not every worker benefits from collective bargaining, and that was the only point I was making.

erm..no I didnt

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6 hours ago, Strontium said:

 

We're not allowed to negotiate our own salaries in the public sector. Which is why I get paid the same as someone who does half as much work as I do.

Every workplace has at least one self-important whiny bitch.

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The Atlas Shrugged mindset is that the wealthiest and most successful people in a society are the creators and the thinkers and the builders.

 

But, in our culture, they're the shareholders, the property flippers and the moneyed, well-connected bottom feeders. 

 

This is the great lie of modern capitalism, the idea that hard work + ability = success. That's part of it, but a huge part is connections, killer instinct and being able to navigate the rapids of a society and economy where much of what we're taught to value in school turns out to be bollocks, and by the time we realise it it's too late and we're wrapped up in a blanket in a council bungalow sat in our own piss.

 

The people who built the world around us are largely forgotten unless someone makes a film about them, they're certainly not playing craps in Monaco.

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7 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

The Atlas Shrugged mindset is that the wealthiest and most successful people in a society are the creators and the thinkers and the builders.

 

But, in our culture, they're the shareholders, the property flippers and the moneyed, well-connected bottom feeders. 

 

This is the great lie of modern capitalism, the idea that hard work + ability = success. That's part of it, but a huge part is connections, killer instinct and being able to navigate the rapids of a society and economy where much of what we're taught to value in school turns out to be bollocks, and by the time we realise it it's too late and we're wrapped up in a blanket in a council bungalow sat in our own piss.

 

The people who built the world around us are largely forgotten unless someone makes a film about them, they're certainly not playing craps in Monaco.

Their doing craps alright,usually in their only pair of underwear their pension can afford.

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toryism in a nutshell

 

After 30 years as a tenants’ association campaigner on the Aylesbury estate, Jean Bartlett MBE is still at it. We’ve met often there over the years, and yesterday we talked over the programmes of the previous Labour era and hopes of a revival. The boldest was the new deal for communities that picked the 39 worst estates in the country and gave them a large sum to be spent by the tenants themselves, with genuine community power. Aylesbury got £56m promised upfront over 10 years – Jean talks of recruiting tenants who had never engaged in anything before, who learned about planning as they drew up a master plan together: “Some people like me left school at 15, married at 16, ended up getting degrees,” she says. “It enriched my life and all of us who got involved.” Findings from a final evaluation of the Aylesbury programme included a 7% drop in workless households, fear of crime cut by half and the number of Aylesbury pupils getting their 5 good GCSEs going up by 68%, to only just below the national average.

It all ended immediately when the Tories came to power, “Like so much,” Bartlett says. They not only axed Labour programmes, but they didn’t want to know the facts

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On 17/07/2024 at 12:35, Strontium said:

 

So why don't, for instance, f**tb*llers negotiate their pay collectively then? Or lawyers?

 

As I say, if people want to negotiate as a collective, they should be free to do so. I am sure it is beneficial for the mediocre.

 

People being able to negotiate a better pay when you can't are mediocre? 

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On 19/07/2024 at 14:56, Bjornebye said:

 

People being able to negotiate a better pay when you can't are mediocre? 

The funny thing is the self-aggrandising tit works in the public sector, with pay and conditions that better people have negotiated for him (against the austerity that his party enabled).

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