Lucas

[VladimirIlyich]

And if that's your argument that Allen IS in fact a DM and I'm wrong, then it's a pitiful one.

Allen is a DM but not a very good one.

Simple really.

[aRdja]

Allen is a DM but not a very good one.

Simple really.

 

I think he plays his best football next to a deeper-lying midfielder.

[Anny Road]

Lucas looked good again yesterday.  This is his best ever spell for us in a Liverpool shirt, and long may it continue.  

No it isn't mate. Before he got his bad injury he was world class. I fully expect him to get a new bumper contract followed by a m cruciate injury in the next game.

On top form he is the best in the league IMHO (In his position).

[aRdja]

No it isn't mate. Before he got his bad injury he was world class. I fully expect him to get a new bumper contract followed by a m cruciate injury in the next game.

On top form he is the best in the league IMHO.

 

Jesus, I like Lucas as a player, but there are better DMs in the league than him. Schneiderlin and Matic (despite his current form) for example.

[SlugTrail]

No it isn't mate. Before he got his bad injury he was world class. I fully expect him to get a new bumper contract followed by a m cruciate injury in the next game.

On top form he is the best in the league IMHO (In his position).

i like Lucas, but best in the league, not a chance.

[moof]

Allen is a DM but not a very good one.

Simple really.

Allen is a DM in the same way that Can is a right back. I.e. He's not.

[moof]

Anyone with working eyes and a working brain will tell you Allen is not a DM.

[Anny Road]

i like Lucas, but best in the league, not a chance.

Before his last big Injury he was brilliant. I would not have swapped him for anyone.

[aRdja]

Before his last big Injury he was brilliant. I would not have swapped him for anyone.

 

Matic was consistently brilliant last season. Schneiderlin has been very good for a few seasons now. Lucas is lacking that consistency, however unlucky he has been with injuries.

[stringvest]

No it isn't mate. Before he got his bad injury he was world class. I fully expect him to get a new bumper contract followed by a m cruciate injury in the next game.

On top form he is the best in the league IMHO (In his position).

 

He has never been near world class.  We do get a bit mad on appraising our players sometimes.  He's improving for three reasons imo - he's getting fitter, he's learning more about the game positionally, and more is being demanded of him.  His propensity to give silly free kicks in dangerous areas hasn't been expunged, and that along with his lack of agility and mobility are the reasons he isn't any more than a jobbing midfielder.  His experience will improve him positionally and in his decision making, but it doesn't make up for his shortcomings.  

 

It's a bit churlish to be having this discussion when he's playing so well, so I'm not going to engage in a debate about this, but the lauding of pretty ordinary players to the skies by fans is one of the reasons it's difficult to take opinions seriously.  We're all guilty of it.  

[moof]

If Lucas had an extra yard of pace he'd probably be the best in the league in his position (on current form)

[aRdja]

He has never been near world class. We do get a bit mad on appraising our players sometimes. He's improving for three reasons imo - he's getting fitter, he's learning more about the game positionally, and more is being demanded of him. His propensity to give silly free kicks in dangerous areas hasn't been expunged, and that along with his lack of agility and mobility are the reasons he isn't any more than a jobbing midfielder. His experience will improve him positionally and in his decision making, but it doesn't make up for his shortcomings.

 

It's a bit churlish to be having this discussion when he's playing so well, so I'm not going to engage in a debate about this, but the lauding of pretty ordinary players to the skies by fans is one of the reasons it's difficult to take opinions seriously. We're all guilty of it.

He's anything BUT a jobbing midfielder (whatever that means)!!

[setreal]

I have a feeling Klopp sees him as Liverpools Kehl a bit.

[magicrat]

Before his last big Injury he was brilliant. I would not have swapped him for anyone.

I don't know about not swapping him but he was top class before he did his knee ligament.. Well as he's playing atm he hasn't quite reached that best level again 

I'm a fan of Lucas most of the time and think he often gets maligned unfairly but to be fair to his detractors there is always a costly FK in his locker and even yesterday things could have been very different had he got sent off ( which he probably should have ) for a stupid challenge. He bring zero goals to the party either but on balance with our far from solid defense he needs to be in the side and I'm glad we have him , Utterly fucking mental to think Rodgers was trying to offload him in the summer

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

World class.

 

Best in the league.

 

It's a wonder PSG and Madrid aren't knocking the door down with offers of 30m plus.

[stringvest]

World class.

 

Best in the league.

 

It's a wonder PSG and Madrid aren't knocking the door down with offers of 30m plus.

 

it's madness I tell thee. 

[Jairzinho]

They know he wouldn't leave us.

[Adebisi]

Not sure why people don't rate him. Injuries have effected him but he's played important roles for nearly all our managers (I forget how often he played under Woy because I've banished those times from my memory) he's had a few spells where he's been our best player too.

I'd like to see us improve on him, but I'd keep him round for as long as his contact runs. He's not world class by any means but he's got the attitude you want from a player. All the respect in the world for the bloke to turn it around. A lesser player would have crumbled and bailed after the stick he was getting from practically everyone.

[easytoslip]

Does as he's told, no frills, and can be a liability as was the case yesterday ,nevertheless playing well.

[smilezzz]

Does as he's told, no frills, and can be a liability as was the case yesterday ,nevertheless playing well.

Bullshit. He was far from a liability. Go watch the match again.

[lebron]

That one tackle where he sprinted back to make a two footed lunging block in our penalty box summed it up.

 

He was boss all game though he did show his limitation in passing and his tendency to get caught in possession once or twice.  That's part of the package, and at the moment, its a great overall package.

 

This is about as true as Sakho being a bad passer/uncomfortable on the ball etc, complete bullshit. Lucas is probably the most adventourous passer to play the DM role in the league. He regularly turns defence to attack with a pass splitting the opposition's midfield. I take it opinions like this comes from people yearning for the past of Gerrard's Hollywood balls. I don't. Lucas' passing is just as effective with a much higher completion rate.

 

He's been our best player since Klopp came in. He is still an absolute rock.

 

He's really kicked his passing up a gear now as well. Long may it continue.

 

I'd argue his passing has been pretty good all the way. He does get a bit further up field now (as Can does a bit of his defensive work/positioning), so it's just a bit more eye-catching than him regularly threading it through the midfield.

 

Should have been tracking Ramires for the goal, very nearly sent off for a number of fouls and stupidly caught in possession a few times.  Vintage lucas performance indeed.

 

Top quality DM needed asap, just like it's been needed since Mascherano left.

 

The first part is extremely harsh and some of it downright silly. I agree that a top quality DM like Mascherano (he was and probably still is the benchmark in his position) would be nice. Not very likely though. If we can keep Lucas fit, I expect him to continue to be important for us. Lucas has outplayed both Matic (who has been nothing short of shocking this season) and Schneiderlin so far btw.

 

Never been his biggest fan but no one can fault his professionalism or attitude since he was basically told he had no future. A lot of players would have sulked or thrown a strop, he's just got on with it and worked his nuts off. Still gives away silly fouls but his passing and work rate is really good.

 

I like my DMs to give away a few fouls. That means they are breaking up play, tackling and stopping the opposition from having a free run at the CBs. We tried having a player there last season that didn't give away fouls. That worked well...

 

He doesn't like to pass judgement - unless it is sideways

 

If this is referring to his passing, it's a cheap (and wrong) shot, as his passing is a lot more progressive than our fans (and media) give him credit for. 

 

A goal scoring holding midfielder that doesn't concede fouls, huh? Oh, you want him to be the greatest footballer of all time.

 

Exactly

 

If Lucas had an extra yard of pace he'd probably be the best in the league in his position (on current form)

 

This is a fair point. Unfortunately he's not going to pick that up. His positioning and game intelligence negates most of the need for that yard though. It's a bit like having Hamann there, or Hyypia at the back. Footballers that have the complete package both physically and mentally are extremely hard to come by, and on the few occasions they are available cost a fortune.

[lebron]

His first yellow yesterday was a complete joke btw, and both Mikel (in that instance) and Ramires made a complete meal of his challenges, both going down before contact was made. I agree with Klopp's take on it.

[kalasoma]

Lucas looked good again yesterday.  This is his best ever spell for us in a Liverpool shirt, and long may it continue.  

 

Woah. Who are you and what have you done with Stringy? 

[kalasoma]

A man of the people. I'd vote for him.

 

 

More captain (or vice captain) than Milner will ever be, in my eyes.

[stringvest]

Woah. Who are you and what have you done with Stringy? 

 

If he plays well, I praise him.  Same as it ever was.  The question should be - what has Klopp done with Lucas? If he continues to play well, there'll be no grief from me - I want all of our players to do well, because it means the team will improve.