Frank De Boer

[Bjornebye]

I agree Id want better but I would settle for and get behind him if it came, even if he fails the point is the owners would have come round to the fans by going for someone who has trophies at a big club who may go onto be a top manager rather than someone who had never managed a big club or won trophies its too much of a divide a gamble to work fsgs system is confusion and more likely to break and ruin an potential top manager than produce one out of endless nearlymen from curbishley on who brought a team up and played passing footy shock horror.

Someone id settle for is someone who can get us in the top four eg de boer, ideally we want someone who can, yes, god forbid consistently challenge in league for lfc, an ancellotti simeone, guardiola it depends on what we are willing to accept as fans in our negotiations with the owners who in truth i dont even think will sack rodgers even if the bitters smash four past our hapless team, without mike gordons sayso. Gordon needs to fuck off back to hedgefundland or expect only shit managers or deluded fools to sign up to work for these wankers.

"Settle for"

That just sums us up.

[elvis]

Ancelotti

Klopp

De Boer Konstrictor.

Can't understand the clamber for ancelotti , no great achievements in my book - won things with money bags clubs .

Klopp all the way for me

[reece289]

Overthinking it. Get a good manager and all this talk of dof goes away again.

Who? 

 

All the top managers in Europe run under a Dof of some type.

[Mick R]

Ajax managed a famous point at European heavyweights Molde FK (currently 7th in the league, 21 pts adrift of leaders RBK) on Thursday.

Winning the Dutch league with Ajax counts as much as winning the Scottish with Celtic or Swiss league with Basel in my book.

Unless we get someone guaranteed to be better (Ancelotti or Klopp) I'd be keeping things as they are.

If winning the Dutch league is so easy, though, why have none of the greats ever done it four years on the bounce (if that's definitely true)?

[marcus50bucks]

Has Frank de Boer run out of ideas at Ajax?

 

Oct 2, 2015 12:30:00

 

The former Netherlands international was once seen as a future Barcelona coach but, after making history with the Dutch side, his reputation is in danger after a terrible year

 

By Peter McVitie

 

Despite becoming the first coach to lead Ajax to four consecutive league titles in his first spell as a senior manager, Frank de Boer is scrambling to save his reputation.

 

Taking over from Martin Jol in the Dutch capital in December 2010 and immediately leading his side from fourth place to first to secure their first Eredivisie title in seven years, the former Netherlands international was immediately seen as one of the continent's most promising coaches.

 

Labelled a future Barcelona boss, a potential successor to Arsene Wenger at Arsenal, offered the job at Liverpool before Brendan Rodgers and narrowly beaten to Tottenham by Mauricio Pochettino, De Boer's stock has risen a great deal over the years.

 

However, over the last 12 months or so, his limitations have become evident and it is becoming clear that this is a man who still has a lot to prove if he is to fulfil his earlier promise.

 

Put in charge of Ajax's first team amid Johan Cruyff's 'Velvet Revolution' after impressing with the Under-19s side, De Boer immediately instilled in the Eredivisie giants a more attractive style of football, taking them back to something more resembling the club's Total Football philosophy.

 

With his flexible formation allowing for a fluent transition in play, Ajax were a joy to watch as they stormed through the second half of the season, beating league leaders Twente on the final day to overtake them and secure the title.

 

Over the years, his belief in youth, the way in which he helped to develop his young players and his new tactical ideas coupled with his constant demand for perfection showed him to be an all-round impressive boss with a very bright future.

 

The Amsterdam side have lost a whole host of key players during his near five year spell there, including Luis Suarez, Christian Eriksen, Siem de Jong, Gregory van der Wiel, Jan Vertonghen, Toby Alderweireld, Vurnon Anita and Daley Blind, yet De Boer has been able to get the best out of his side through his understanding of Ajax's youth system and scouting network.

 

Ajax had some luck in their march to the four league titles, having capitalised on the inefficiencies of PSV and Feyenoord at certain times, but not many coaches would have been able to deal with the constant changes of the club and make history in the way that he has done.

 

The problem is, though, that football is constantly evolving and developing. While De Boer's methods and execution showed signs that this was a precocious coaching talent, the last two years of his career have shown his limitations, or at least that he has stagnated in his development.

 

It has become evident that he is still relying on the same ideas which saw him emerge as a future coaching star, regardless of how unsuited to it are the players at his disposal.

 

For instance, using Eriksen and De Jong as central strikers to force open space in key areas against big opposition was quite an innovative, daring and intelligent move which proved effective. However, last season, with his team slow, lacking creativity and any effectiveness whatsoever, his solution was to simply thrust the underperforming Lasse Schone into that role, leaving summer signing Richairo Zivkovic out of the squad despite impressing for Groningen the previous year.

 

It was a decision which never looked like working and it never did. He soon went back to throwing on central defender Mike van der Hoorn to play up front towards the end of matches as Ajax scrambled for points.

 

They completely crumbled under the challenge of Phillip Cocu's PSV, who, although lucky in the opening half of the season, developed into an excellent team led by their star players and eventually won the league with a 17-point lead over Ajax. The runners-up failed to develop in the same way and remained a flat and turgid group who would have struggled even more without Davy Klaassen and player of the year Jasper Cillessen.

 

This season, again De Boer has already indicated that he will end up relying on similar tactics. Against Celtic in the Europa League, he started with Klaassen up front, even though the 22-year-old is the absolute star of the midfield. Lining up against a very defensive Scottish side in the Amsterdam Arena, they were severely lacking direction in the middle of the park and relied heavily on crosses, making 33 of them in 90 minutes. Ajax trailed 2-0 to Celtic and, although they came back to earn a point after Emilio Izaguirre's red card, there was luck in their equaliser as goalkeeper Craig Gordon misjudged a Schone free-kick.

 

When it was put to him after the game, De Boer would not acknowledge that his team failed to create any intricacy in central areas during that game and insisted that their wing-heavy gameplan was fine.

 

"We were waiting for the equaliser," he said. "It's not the cross that you have to finish but sometimes the ball drops well for you. I'm satisfied with how things went."

 

When Ajax are 2-1 down in their stadium against 10 men, having completely dominated possession, it is hard to believe that they should feel happy about "waiting" on a lucky goal, especially when they have relied upon one futile attacking style throughout the game.

 

Things have continued for Ajax in this way throughout the season. While they sit top of the table and have dropped points in only one of their seven games, they have been underwhelming in attack and completely one-dimensional. Only three teams have made more crosses in open play than them this season and smart sides will sit deep and restrict the space in the centre and force them wide. Such a strategy could be a weakened PSV outfit's main hope of taking points from them on Sunday.

 

Overall, De Boer has done remarkably well with Ajax and no one could possibly argue that he is a failure, even if he fails to win the league this term. He is a talented coach for sure but, if he is to fulfil his early promise, he simply must move away from the Ajax philosophy which consumes him and the club. He has to develop a new dimension to his gameplan to ensure that he continues to develop. That could be the difference between going on to become a great coach or just an average one. It's down to De Boer to make sure that the former is the case.

 

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1686/eredivisie/2015/10/02/15921732/has-frank-de-boer-run-out-of-ideas-at-ajax

[Dr Nowt]

"Settle for"

That just sums us up.

A bastion of mediocrity.

[Nightcat]

The Boar, has nowhere NEAR the quality and experience we need. 

 

Again the Criminal Organisation FSG are deliberately overlooking the prospect of approaching World Class managers like Ancelotti, in order for them to accommodate their filthy interests (e.g. having a manager who will not object to them selling every good player we develop).

 

FSG are the core of the problem, not part of the solution. The disgusting fake scouser traitor of his own kind, should be the first to be removed from Liverpool F.C.  

[El Rojo]

Frank De Boer. One eye looking at you, one eye looking for you.

[Barzini]

It's pointless discussing managers, it's not the main problem.

 

We need a proper football man in the boardroom, a dof or whatever. Let him decide the football we want to play and employ the managers to suit that.

 

Zorc (dortmund), Overmars is the Ajax one, Monchi (sevilla) someone with a clue.

Mike Gordon will probably appoint himself DOF, then the pain will really begin.

[navbasi]

Has Frank de Boer run out of ideas at Ajax?

 

Oct 2, 2015 12:30:00

 

The former Netherlands international was once seen as a future Barcelona coach but, after making history with the Dutch side, his reputation is in danger after a terrible year

 

By Peter McVitie

 

Despite becoming the first coach to lead Ajax to four consecutive league titles in his first spell as a senior manager, Frank de Boer is scrambling to save his reputation.

 

Taking over from Martin Jol in the Dutch capital in December 2010 and immediately leading his side from fourth place to first to secure their first Eredivisie title in seven years, the former Netherlands international was immediately seen as one of the continent's most promising coaches.

 

Labelled a future Barcelona boss, a potential successor to Arsene Wenger at Arsenal, offered the job at Liverpool before Brendan Rodgers and narrowly beaten to Tottenham by Mauricio Pochettino, De Boer's stock has risen a great deal over the years.

 

However, over the last 12 months or so, his limitations have become evident and it is becoming clear that this is a man who still has a lot to prove if he is to fulfil his earlier promise.

 

Put in charge of Ajax's first team amid Johan Cruyff's 'Velvet Revolution' after impressing with the Under-19s side, De Boer immediately instilled in the Eredivisie giants a more attractive style of football, taking them back to something more resembling the club's Total Football philosophy.

 

With his flexible formation allowing for a fluent transition in play, Ajax were a joy to watch as they stormed through the second half of the season, beating league leaders Twente on the final day to overtake them and secure the title.

 

Over the years, his belief in youth, the way in which he helped to develop his young players and his new tactical ideas coupled with his constant demand for perfection showed him to be an all-round impressive boss with a very bright future.

 

The Amsterdam side have lost a whole host of key players during his near five year spell there, including Luis Suarez, Christian Eriksen, Siem de Jong, Gregory van der Wiel, Jan Vertonghen, Toby Alderweireld, Vurnon Anita and Daley Blind, yet De Boer has been able to get the best out of his side through his understanding of Ajax's youth system and scouting network.

 

Ajax had some luck in their march to the four league titles, having capitalised on the inefficiencies of PSV and Feyenoord at certain times, but not many coaches would have been able to deal with the constant changes of the club and make history in the way that he has done.

 

The problem is, though, that football is constantly evolving and developing. While De Boer's methods and execution showed signs that this was a precocious coaching talent, the last two years of his career have shown his limitations, or at least that he has stagnated in his development.

 

It has become evident that he is still relying on the same ideas which saw him emerge as a future coaching star, regardless of how unsuited to it are the players at his disposal.

 

For instance, using Eriksen and De Jong as central strikers to force open space in key areas against big opposition was quite an innovative, daring and intelligent move which proved effective. However, last season, with his team slow, lacking creativity and any effectiveness whatsoever, his solution was to simply thrust the underperforming Lasse Schone into that role, leaving summer signing Richairo Zivkovic out of the squad despite impressing for Groningen the previous year.

 

It was a decision which never looked like working and it never did. He soon went back to throwing on central defender Mike van der Hoorn to play up front towards the end of matches as Ajax scrambled for points.

 

They completely crumbled under the challenge of Phillip Cocu's PSV, who, although lucky in the opening half of the season, developed into an excellent team led by their star players and eventually won the league with a 17-point lead over Ajax. The runners-up failed to develop in the same way and remained a flat and turgid group who would have struggled even more without Davy Klaassen and player of the year Jasper Cillessen.

 

This season, again De Boer has already indicated that he will end up relying on similar tactics. Against Celtic in the Europa League, he started with Klaassen up front, even though the 22-year-old is the absolute star of the midfield. Lining up against a very defensive Scottish side in the Amsterdam Arena, they were severely lacking direction in the middle of the park and relied heavily on crosses, making 33 of them in 90 minutes. Ajax trailed 2-0 to Celtic and, although they came back to earn a point after Emilio Izaguirre's red card, there was luck in their equaliser as goalkeeper Craig Gordon misjudged a Schone free-kick.

 

When it was put to him after the game, De Boer would not acknowledge that his team failed to create any intricacy in central areas during that game and insisted that their wing-heavy gameplan was fine.

 

"We were waiting for the equaliser," he said. "It's not the cross that you have to finish but sometimes the ball drops well for you. I'm satisfied with how things went."

 

When Ajax are 2-1 down in their stadium against 10 men, having completely dominated possession, it is hard to believe that they should feel happy about "waiting" on a lucky goal, especially when they have relied upon one futile attacking style throughout the game.

 

Things have continued for Ajax in this way throughout the season. While they sit top of the table and have dropped points in only one of their seven games, they have been underwhelming in attack and completely one-dimensional. Only three teams have made more crosses in open play than them this season and smart sides will sit deep and restrict the space in the centre and force them wide. Such a strategy could be a weakened PSV outfit's main hope of taking points from them on Sunday.

 

Overall, De Boer has done remarkably well with Ajax and no one could possibly argue that he is a failure, even if he fails to win the league this term. He is a talented coach for sure but, if he is to fulfil his early promise, he simply must move away from the Ajax philosophy which consumes him and the club. He has to develop a new dimension to his gameplan to ensure that he continues to develop. That could be the difference between going on to become a great coach or just an average one. It's down to De Boer to make sure that the former is the case.

 

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1686/eredivisie/2015/10/02/15921732/has-frank-de-boer-run-out-of-ideas-at-ajax

Still top of the league only dropping points in one of their 7 games. He might still be learning his trade but the signs are there that he is a very good manager in what he has achieved in his short managerial time. He's played at the highest level and a name that commands respect in world football. Everything that Hodgers isn't.

[kemskem]

The only way of getting the atmosphere back and the fans' hopes up as well as filling the ground, is getting someone in with a strong track record. De Boer's not the man for me.

[Denny Crane]

I don't know much about De Boer but I'm guessing being an Ajax man he plays the traditional 433 and a possession based game.

 

If that is the case does he suit the players we have?.

 

I also wonder if the possession game suits English football at the moment unless you have very very good players.

 

Klopp and Ancelotti are my main two I want but I have been impressed by Koeman and would take him over De Boer due to his greater experience in various leagues and his ability to adjust straightaway.

 

Also if Klopp or Ancelotti come it's because they are here to win and the fanbase would appreciate the owners have acknowledged appointing a rookie has failed.

[reece289]

If we are hiring a manager without a dof type I would look at a manager proven to make his mark on the style of football played.

 

Similar to Van Gaal an older manager with a limited span who can set the tone.

 

Beilsa maybe.

 

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[moof]

Based on....?

The fact that I think he's a decent manager who will benefit from a fresh start somewhere.

[Dave D]

Its telling that he signs a lot of players with L in their name proof that balotelli is his signing.

You've cracked it.

 

I've spent months studying that seeking the answer to Rodgers transfer conundrum.

 

It was there for all to see.

 

Someone needs to warn Lukaku, Lamela, Lloris and Lewondowski before they get sucked in to the Rodgers player drain and all end up playing on the left side of a back 3

[Bjornebye]

Frank De Boer. One eye looking at you, one eye looking for you.

One eye in Huyton on eye in Brighton

[Denny Crane]

David Luiz: “If Liverpool don’t qualify this season for the CL, I am sure Coutinho will be the most in demand player in Europe next summer.”

 

A few players like Luiz, Neymar uttering similar stuff.

 

An appointment of a winner like Ancelotti or Klopp might go a long way to show we are serious about winning and not making up the numbers.

 

A yesman appointment or if Rodgers manages to bluff his way into keeping the job will almost guarantee Coutinho is gone.

[Denny Crane]

In fact when you read this article in full it seems like not changing managers in the summer and targeting par has already precipitated Coutinhos departure.

 

We wasted a season absolute joke that highlights under Rodgers and Fsg we are turning into a small club.

 

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-must-qualify-champions-league-6562865

[moof]

Whar has any of that got to do with de boer, frode?

[JermainePennant]

I think Rodgers could win titles in Holland. Why not.

Getting promoted from the championship is a bigger acheivement then winning the Dutch league with Ajax, the quality of the league is similar and there are more teams challenging at the top in the championship.

 

Mcclaren went over there and took over a team who hadn't won it in years, he signed championship players and won the league but he couldn't get promoted from the championship with one of the strongest sides.

 

This reminds me of when fans were starting to talk about the positives of Hodgson towards the end of Rafas time, De Boer would be a terrible appointment and the fact Newcastle are the only other team linked should say something.

[Denny Crane]

Basically we are the 7th richest club or something we should have a manager that matches that. We need the best.

 

De Boer is clearly several levels above Rodgers only a fool would say otherwise.

 

He is a winner and I won't knock his fantastic archivements in football but My gut says he is the wrong fit but i would take him as an interim if it meant me not having to see Rodgers clapping his team against the likes of Carlisle and Sion in his shit black tie.

[thompsonsnose]

David Luiz: “If Liverpool don’t qualify this season for the CL, I am sure Coutinho will be the most in demand player in Europe next summer.”

 

A few players like Luiz, Neymar uttering similar stuff.

 

An appointment of a winner like Ancelotti or Klopp might go a long way to show we are serious about winning and not making up the numbers.

 

A yesman appointment or if Rodgers manages to bluff his way into keeping the job will almost guarantee Coutinho is gone.

Thats the plan though isnt it? Things really do run deeper than just turfing out the current manager. Though thats a very good starting point.

[moof]

I don't know why anyone is bringing up his playing career. That has no bearing on his ability as a manager. If we're going down that route then why not go for Sami?

[Anubis]

Getting promoted from the championship is a bigger acheivement then winning the Dutch league with Ajax, the quality of the league is similar and there are more teams challenging at the top in the championship.

Oh just stop it. You're not even trying now. It's just full on trolling shit. Setting aside the fact that Rodgers didn't even win the Championship, only the play-offs, the Championship is not a better league than the Eredivisie. Not a chance.

[Bjornebye]

The championship is the most competitive league in Europe.