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Klopp's honeymoon period is over, as far as the players are concerned. Next summer first team players will start to leave.

 

We really, really needed to sign several high quality players this summer, but 'failed'.

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Not yet, but it was only 1 (maybe) positive window, one just gone we still spent a decent amount I think.

 

The number is higher probably because of things like add ons, agent fees and maybe signing on fees too.

 

How much higher mate - can you make them not shit? Please!?

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Klopp's honeymoon period is over, as far as the players are concerned. Next summer first team players will start to leave.

 

 

This is not exactly a bad thing. We need some sort of turnover. Stability is only good if the team is successful/good enough or if the manager is untouchable a la Alex Ferguson. Not the case at Liverpool.

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They have sucked the life-force out of me and most of the fans that I know. I go into season after season just expecting virtually nothing to change even though you know that if we pushed the boat out slightly and showed a bit of ambition we could challenge. Yet each season we sit round with our thumbs up our arsed our rivals get further away from us and the teams below us gain momentum.

 

We are a laughing stock amongst most other fans. Shouldn't bother me but the fact that we still go on about how great we were years ago but just tread water and watch everything pass us by annoys me.

 

Yet we still have to pay top whack for tickets, more than the Mancs who actually win stuff. You have to scramble around to get tickets off other people because they won't expand the ground due to it not being financially worthwhile for them. But normal fans just get ignored. You've got two generations of fans - ones who used to go years ago but can't be arsed with the price or the hassle of tickets so just go and watch it in the pub and the younger generation who will never get to go regularly. Say what you want about Everton but they want to get the younger kids watching their team.

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This is not exactly a bad thing. We need some sort of turnover. Stability is only good if the team is successful/good enough or if the manager is untouchable a la Alex Ferguson. Not the case at Liverpool.

 

It's a very bad thing when your best players start to jump ship.

 

When you add our inability to replace them, it doesn't even bear thinking about.

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How much higher mate - can you make them not shit? Please!?

I posted it earlier in this thread, but on my phone so not searching for it, but a bit over £200m over 5 years. We then had I reckon a roughly flat window last summer, and then this year a I'm not sure off the top of my head, but I'd guess avg of mid 30s

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7 years. 1 league cup. Miserly spend. Cant get transfers over the line. Yes. They are shit.

 

 

Their shareholders would disagree and therein lies our problem 

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It's a very bad thing when your best players start to jump ship.

 

When you add our inability to replace them, it doesn't even bear thinking about.

 

We've won nothing with our very best players. Selling them isn't a disastrous situation, like say losing Lewandowski on a free after he leads you to a title and wins the golden boot. 

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They arent proving to be all that but its a strange phenomenon when we are saying as fans "they have to go" or "get rid" when talking about the actual owners  like they are an underperforming left back.

 

They may well have to go, but it will be on their terms whether we like it or not 

 

Battered fan syndrome. Empty the stadium 2 home games running and you would see the power we really have. It's OUR fugging club, not some wankers with a yacht. We need to make our voices heard. This lay down and take a bumming shyte has got to stop. Damn right we can get rid. 

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Not yet, but it was only 1 (maybe) positive window, one just gone we still spent a decent amount I think.

 

The number is higher probably because of things like add ons, agent fees and maybe signing on fees too.

i think the article he quoted was trying to show our net spend on transfers compared to our rivals over the period of FSG ownership. the rest of the article showed MC with £600m+ MU with £500m+ chelsea with £300m+ and arse were about the same as us but spurs were about £20m.

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They have sucked the life-force out of me and most of the fans that I know. I go into season after season just expecting virtually nothing to change even though you know that if we pushed the boat out slightly and showed a bit of ambition we could challenge. Yet each season we sit round with our thumbs up our arsed our rivals get further away from us and the teams below us gain momentum.

 

We are a laughing stock amongst most other fans. Shouldn't bother me but the fact that we still go on about how great we were years ago but just tread water and watch everything pass us by annoys me.

 

Yet we still have to pay top whack for tickets, more than the Mancs who actually win stuff. You have to scramble around to get tickets off other people because they won't expand the ground due to it not being financially worthwhile for them. But normal fans just get ignored. You've got two generations of fans - ones who used to go years ago but can't be arsed with the price or the hassle of tickets so just go and watch it in the pub and the younger generation who will never get to go regularly. Say what you want about Everton but they want to get the younger kids watching their team.

FSG don't give a shite about young local fans - they don't buy bag fulls of shite from Liverworld and 25 programmes to take home.

 

That all important spend per seat is what they care about and tourists/daytrippers/members who do about 2 games a season are where the money is at.

 

It must grate with them that there is 20,000 odd season ticket holders - i bet they would love to get those seats freed up...

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Battered fan syndrome. Empty the stadium 2 home games running and you would see the power we really have. It's OUR fugging club, not some wankers with a yacht. We need to make our voices heard. This lay down and take a bumming shyte has got to stop. Damn right we can get rid. 

 

I hear you and the intentions are good, but I dont see us emptying the stadium. 

 

FSG are no doubt hindering us, you cant escape it, but some of this malaise is down to the management of Klopp and his team.

 

Klopp will get the benefit of the doubt, that Im sure.

 

A win Saturday would go along way to easing the pressure.

 

Lose (lose badly especially) then Im not sure who's head we are calling for 

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i think the article he quoted was trying to show our net spend on transfers compared to our rivals over the period of FSG ownership. the rest of the article showed MC with £600m+ MU with £500m+ chelsea with £300m+ and arse were about the same as us but spurs were about £20m.

 

If a Liverpool journalist struggles to get our own transfer spending correct, why should I believe what they say about other clubs?

 

But the key issue here is how much more those clubs earn than us.

 

in 2015/16, our revenues were £302m

Chelsea's were £335m

Arsenal's were £354m

City's were £392m

Uts's were £515m

 

It should not be surprising that we are way behind Chelsea, City and Utd when it comes to spending money

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Battered fan syndrome. Empty the stadium 2 home games running and you would see the power we really have. It's OUR fugging club, not some wankers with a yacht. We need to make our voices heard. This lay down and take a bumming shyte has got to stop. Damn right we can get rid.

The type of whoppers that largely fill Anfield now would mean you'll never get near emptying the place in protest.

 

In reality even though it got heard how many people actually walked out over the £77?

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It wouldn't be surprising if we were say 10% behind as the revenues figures you state show - it seems surprising that we would be 100% behind - correct?

 

If we get over the leap of faith in believing the numbers given, then not necessarily. What a club has to spend on transfers comes after it has paid its costs such as wages, its academy, transportation, utilities, etc.

 

If you have 2 hypothetically identical teams, but one has got into Europe and the other hasn't, so team A's revenues are £300m, and team B's revenues are £330m. If the running costs for both teams is £270m, team A has £30m left over for transfers, team B has £60m.

 

Of course no team is identical, but it would not be surprising to such a difference.

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