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I doubt we have the 7th most expensive squad in the Premier League, nevermind the rest of the planet.

 

The Fraudsters Sect of Gangsters (FSG) will ruin Liverpool forever. We'll never be able to recover after their tenure.

 

you seriously think there's 8, 9 or more clubs in the prem who have a more expensive squad than us?

 

That's some cynicism.

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..., although not as culpable as the manager and committee for signing absolute shite

It doesnt work to deflect a single olly of the flying feaces fan dispersal when the owners appointed them. It comes back to the owners. When your shortlist after sacking dalglish for getting to two finals is lambert, martinez and rodgers, something is seriously wrong, this is the level these people asked for and got.

This like most bullshit is flowing from the top. Only way we will compete is to get rid of the owners as theyre propa mongs, at fucking best.

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I think the next manager will tell us more about FSG's stewardship of the club. At the current moment in time, FSG have done what they said they would. They bought the club, increased revenue streams, backed the manager and are overseeing a stadium expansion. While we can pick holes in any and all of those things, the bottom line for me is that they are doing about what we expected. 

 

The biggest issue, as has been pointed out, is whether or not they have put the right people in place at the club. We could have a better CEO, a better manager and better scouts. For owners who pride themselves on 'boxing clever', that's their biggest downfall. They could be getting a lot more for the money being spent.

 

As fans its a tricky situation. We all want more than this. I had bought into the notion of a well run club, earning its own money, investing it wisely, growing the team and competing that way. With a better CEO, manager and scouts, that model may have been possible... except now with the relaxation of FFP, once again it looks as though you need crazy money to compete at the top end.

 

FSG will never do that, so I think they will end up selling. Whether or not we find owners who can take us where we want to go is another matter.    

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There is something comforting about it being all the owners fault.

Comfort in thinking if we get rid of rodgers our problems will disappear more like. They will never appoint a top manager because they want top wages and fsg are far too clever and smart and ahead of the game to even attempt such a backwards move as that. These people paid commolli then gave 35m for carroll to some geordies then sacked commolli then come up with a fucking committee staffed by moneymen, fuck they bought a rolls royce and max car magazine moded it, these are idiots people, people who won in a casino who think it was because theyre clever rather than a stroke of luck and wont admit their role in failure.

They dont give a fuck about any of us we are just merchandise buying coathangers to them, a franchise, a franchise.

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I think the next manager will tell us more about FSG's stewardship of the club. At the current moment in time, FSG have done what they said they would. They bought the club, increased revenue streams, backed the manager and are overseeing a stadium expansion. While we can pick holes in any and all of those things, the bottom line for me is that they are doing about what we expected. 

 

The biggest issue, as has been pointed out, is whether or not they have put the right people in place at the club. We could have a better CEO, a better manager and better scouts. For owners who pride themselves on 'boxing clever', that's their biggest downfall. They could be getting a lot more for the money being spent.

 

As fans its a tricky situation. We all want more than this. I had bought into the notion of a well run club, earning its own money, investing it wisely, growing the team and competing that way. With a better CEO, manager and scouts, that model may have been possible... except now with the relaxation of FFP, once again it looks as though you need crazy money to compete at the top end.

 

FSG will never do that, so I think they will end up selling. Whether or not we find owners who can take us where we want to go is another matter.

 

No they didnt back the manager they fired him after two cup finals then martinez turned them down they then appointed a committtee of non football people to buy players for the new manager.

We dont need crazy monry at all.

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Do we only have the 7th most expensive squad in the league? I assumed it was probably 5th-6th at worst.

 

3rd according to some Swiss blokes, 7th in Europe. (Which should mean 7th in the world I guess)

 

Salaries are equally, or maybe more in my opinion, important as an indicator on financial strength. We are 14th in the world in all sports there according the other link below.

 

If these figures are anywhere near accurate we definately cannot blame lack of funds for our shortcomings.

 

http://www.soccernet.com.ng/2015/09/top-10-most-expensive-squads-in-europe.html

 

http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2015/05/20/revealed-psg-become-the-best-paid-team-in-global-sport-ahead-of-real-madrid-manchester-city-barcelona-and-the-la-dodgers-200501/

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LIVERPOOL: WILL FSG STILL SEARCH FOR A SHORTCUT IF THEY SACK RODGERS?

by Gareth Roberts // 21 September 2015 //

 

By now you know the stats. The facts and figures. You’ve seen the league table and you know the form. It’s been an underwhelming start to the season. In seven games in all competitions, Liverpool have managed only five goals. The manager is the favourite to ‘win’ the Premier League sack race and the Reds sit 13th in the table. It’s grim. No fun. The slice of life devoted to all this isn’t in any way enjoyable right now.

 

So we go again on Brendan Rodgers. The tedious, draining arguments that are regurgitated week in, week out and will be until the day he is told to pack his bags are trotted out again. Let’s recap. He should have been sacked in the summer. He wasn’t. Instead, he was backed with cash. He was backed with a new coaching set up, a move in itself that saw him tumble further in the popularity stakes as it was perceived as a self-serving move to save skin.

 

The club also did its bit to make the blame figure clear in all this. At a time when the policy on communication so often seems to be to not communicate, Ian Ayre went out of his way to make it clear that all the summer targets were in the bag. We’ve done our bit, over to you, Brendan, was the message.

 

Now here we are. It’s not going to plan. The excuses, the context, the mitigating factors — call them what you will — they’re wearing thin. Different formations, different personnel — same results. Teams that should never be leaving Anfield with points are doing just that. With alarming regularity. And now the Reds are closer to the bottom than the top. It feels like another season of mediocrity beckons.

 

So what are we waiting for? What are we pinning hopes and dreams to? However you weigh it up, there’s not a lot left. A fitter Daniel Sturridge will score goals. A partnership with Christian Benteke might blossom. Roberto Firmino is likely to get better. Jordan Henderson will improve the side when he returns.

 

Definitely? Maybe. But patience to watch it play out is in short supply. Rodgers has had more than a fair crack at the job and into his fourth year as Liverpool manager he needs to get results regardless of ins and outs, regardless of injuries and regardless of what any other team in the league is doing.

 

Yesterday, was an improved performance. Shaking off the baggage of the managerial situation for a second, there were positives to take from the performance if not the result. Unlike recent weeks, the set up seemed to suit the majority of our players. Alberto Moreno put in a performance you can get behind. Mamadou Sakho had The Kop singing his name. Danny Ings put in everything you want to see from a Liverpool player and topped his performance with a well-taken goal.

 

But it wasn’t enough. Liverpool dropped points to a team they needed to beat at Anfield. Again. Even Graeme Souness managed to mastermind a decent Anfield record in his rightly-maligned spell in charge. So the calls come again. The manager should go. How much longer? Don’t let a Hodgson situation develop. Liverpool should be better than this. Clearly. But do we really expect FSG to ditch their man after seven games? I don’t. The owners of the club made their decision in the summer and until results become untenable by their set of criteria, which clearly runs beyond won two, drawn two, lost two in the Premier League, Rodgers will remain.

 

Carlisle on Wednesday you would expect will result in a Liverpool win no matter what the side fielded. But it will appease no-one. Lose to Aston Villa and the polite knock at FSG’s door will become a battering ram. The undercurrent of unrest among supporters was palpable at Anfield yesterday and it’s becoming increasingly difficult to envisage what sweeps that away.

 

The owners will want to wait though. They will want to give Rodgers every opportunity to turn things around. Because when they pull the plug — and it seems very much a when rather than an if — it’s another admission to the wider world that they got it wrong. Like when they fired Damien Comolli. Or when they sacked Kenny Dalglish. Like when they wanted a Director of Football but set up a transfer committee instead.

 

Rodgers exceeded all expectations by taking Liverpool to the brink of the title and he deserves every credit for that. But that can’t hide the concerns that existed when he was appointed. It was FSG’s vision, their strategy, their plan, to hire a young, up and coming coach who would be swimming in fresh waters managerially speaking. They closed the market with their own criteria. Like so often with many of the signings since John Henry and his team of investors came to town, it was their decision to shun the proven for the potential.

 

So when the Rodgers plan is finally torn up, what comes next? More of the same or a boss that would command respect based on his CV? Jurgen Klopp is a name never far away from lips when it comes to Rodgers’ successor yet a report from Simon Hughes in The Independent at the weekend says the German is unlikely to be favoured as Fenway have been warned off him. And while Carlo Ancelotti would be the kind of balls out appointment many a Red would advocate, what offers confidence that FSG think the same?

 

For one, you’d imagine an established, world-renowned winner like Ancelotti would want his own men in and around him. Would he be interested in working with a transfer committee? Would he welcome attempts to influence his thinking from Michael Gordon, the interview-shy FSG shareholder with no track record in football who is the most senior member of that committee?

 

Brendan Rodgers is clearly walking a tightrope now as regards his future and many regard his fall to the floor as the answer to all Liverpool’s ills. Yet his sacking, as warranted as it may be, will likely just spark another set of questions. Perhaps even bigger questions.

The current regime backed itself to find a shortcut to glory. It doesn’t exist. So what now?

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LIVERPOOL: WILL FSG STILL SEARCH FOR A SHORTCUT IF THEY SACK RODGERS?

by Gareth Roberts // 21 September 2015 //

By now you know the stats. The facts and figures. You’ve seen the league table and you know the form. It’s been an underwhelming start to the season. In seven games in all competitions, Liverpool have managed only five goals. The manager is the favourite to ‘win’ the Premier League sack race and the Reds sit 13th in the table. It’s grim. No fun. The slice of life devoted to all this isn’t in any way enjoyable right now.

So we go again on Brendan Rodgers. The tedious, draining arguments that are regurgitated week in, week out and will be until the day he is told to pack his bags are trotted out again. Let’s recap. He should have been sacked in the summer. He wasn’t. Instead, he was backed with cash. He was backed with a new coaching set up, a move in itself that saw him tumble further in the popularity stakes as it was perceived as a self-serving move to save skin.

The club also did its bit to make the blame figure clear in all this. At a time when the policy on communication so often seems to be to not communicate, Ian Ayre went out of his way to make it clear that all the summer targets were in the bag. We’ve done our bit, over to you, Brendan, was the message.

Now here we are. It’s not going to plan. The excuses, the context, the mitigating factors — call them what you will — they’re wearing thin. Different formations, different personnel — same results. Teams that should never be leaving Anfield with points are doing just that. With alarming regularity. And now the Reds are closer to the bottom than the top. It feels like another season of mediocrity beckons.

So what are we waiting for? What are we pinning hopes and dreams to? However you weigh it up, there’s not a lot left. A fitter Daniel Sturridge will score goals. A partnership with Christian Benteke might blossom. Roberto Firmino is likely to get better. Jordan Henderson will improve the side when he returns.

Definitely? Maybe. But patience to watch it play out is in short supply. Rodgers has had more than a fair crack at the job and into his fourth year as Liverpool manager he needs to get results regardless of ins and outs, regardless of injuries and regardless of what any other team in the league is doing.

Yesterday, was an improved performance. Shaking off the baggage of the managerial situation for a second, there were positives to take from the performance if not the result. Unlike recent weeks, the set up seemed to suit the majority of our players. Alberto Moreno put in a performance you can get behind. Mamadou Sakho had The Kop singing his name. Danny Ings put in everything you want to see from a Liverpool player and topped his performance with a well-taken goal.

But it wasn’t enough. Liverpool dropped points to a team they needed to beat at Anfield. Again. Even Graeme Souness managed to mastermind a decent Anfield record in his rightly-maligned spell in charge. So the calls come again. The manager should go. How much longer? Don’t let a Hodgson situation develop. Liverpool should be better than this. Clearly. But do we really expect FSG to ditch their man after seven games? I don’t. The owners of the club made their decision in the summer and until results become untenable by their set of criteria, which clearly runs beyond won two, drawn two, lost two in the Premier League, Rodgers will remain.

Carlisle on Wednesday you would expect will result in a Liverpool win no matter what the side fielded. But it will appease no-one. Lose to Aston Villa and the polite knock at FSG’s door will become a battering ram. The undercurrent of unrest among supporters was palpable at Anfield yesterday and it’s becoming increasingly difficult to envisage what sweeps that away.

The owners will want to wait though. They will want to give Rodgers every opportunity to turn things around. Because when they pull the plug — and it seems very much a when rather than an if — it’s another admission to the wider world that they got it wrong. Like when they fired Damien Comolli. Or when they sacked Kenny Dalglish. Like when they wanted a Director of Football but set up a transfer committee instead.

Rodgers exceeded all expectations by taking Liverpool to the brink of the title and he deserves every credit for that. But that can’t hide the concerns that existed when he was appointed. It was FSG’s vision, their strategy, their plan, to hire a young, up and coming coach who would be swimming in fresh waters managerially speaking. They closed the market with their own criteria. Like so often with many of the signings since John Henry and his team of investors came to town, it was their decision to shun the proven for the potential.

So when the Rodgers plan is finally torn up, what comes next? More of the same or a boss that would command respect based on his CV? Jurgen Klopp is a name never far away from lips when it comes to Rodgers’ successor yet a report from Simon Hughes in The Independent at the weekend says the German is unlikely to be favoured as Fenway have been warned off him. And while Carlo Ancelotti would be the kind of balls out appointment many a Red would advocate, what offers confidence that FSG think the same?

For one, you’d imagine an established, world-renowned winner like Ancelotti would want his own men in and around him. Would he be interested in working with a transfer committee? Would he welcome attempts to influence his thinking from Michael Gordon, the interview-shy FSG shareholder with no track record in football who is the most senior member of that committee?

Brendan Rodgers is clearly walking a tightrope now as regards his future and many regard his fall to the floor as the answer to all Liverpool’s ills. Yet his sacking, as warranted as it may be, will likely just spark another set of questions. Perhaps even bigger questions.

The current regime backed itself to find a shortcut to glory. It doesn’t exist. So what now?

 

All very cryptic.

 

The fact is, a better manager would have signed much better players in the last 4 years given the money spent.

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I don't think anyone's raising FSG's workings and performance to defend Rodgers, mate. That's a done deal for most of us.

 

Soon he will be gone and they will remain. I would suspect a number of our overarching problems off the pitch will remain with them, quite possibly including another managerial appointment fitting the same template and the rogues gallery behind the scenes, and they always find their way onto the pitch one way or another.

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The current regime backed itself to find a shortcut to glory. It doesn’t exist. So what now?

 

Simple: extend Rodgers' contract em perpetuity. Just record some holograms before he passes on, mixing a soundtrack from: massive club, group, outstanding!, formation, possession, etc. and run them at pre/post games.

 

Because there is simply nothing we can do to change or be better, ever.

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Simple: extend Rodgers' contract em perpetuity. Just record some holograms before he passes on, mixing a soundtrack from: massive club, group, outstanding!, formation, possession, etc. and run them at pre/post games.

 

Because there is simply nothing we can do to change or be better, ever.

That's definitely what he's saying, and that reading of it has got nothing to do with your own tedious blinkers which mean everything anyone says about the club just now is agenda-ridden pro or anti someone in it.

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I don't think anyone's raising FSG's workings and performance to defend Rodgers, mate. That's a done deal for most of us.

Soon he will be gone and they will remain. I would suspect a number of our overarching problems off the pitch will remain with them, quite possibly including another managerial appointment fitting the same template and the rogues gallery behind the scenes, and they always find their way onto the pitch one way or another.

I understand the cynicism aimed at FSG but I just think that the absolute disaster zone that has been our transfers is the biggest single contributing factor to our current malaise.

 

The lionshare of that, committee or not, rests at Rodgers door surely?

 

Like us, I think they were swept away into thinking Rodgers was destined for great things after the Suarez charged title tilt. Threre was even talk of City trying to poach him. The money from the sale of Suarez was made fully available to continue the ascent.

 

If we hadnt so spectacularly got that so so wrong we wouldnt be in such a state.

 

We haven't even begun to pick up the pieces of that debacle, merely added to it with more hugely expensive gambles.

 

I certainly think a new manager could get this lot playing, I guess the argument remains can FSG make the right appointment.

 

It's a massive call, possibly the biggest in our history.

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I understand the cynicism aimed at FSG but I just think that the absolute disaster zone that has been our transfers is the biggest single contributing factor to our current malaise.

 

The lionshare of that, committee or not, rests at Rodgers door surely?

 

Like us, I think they were swept away into thinking Rodgers was destined for great things after the Suarez charged title tilt. Threre was even talk of City trying to poach him. The money from the sale of Suarez was made fully available to continue the ascent.

 

If we hadnt so spectacularly got that so so wrong we wouldnt be in such a state.

 

We haven't even begun to pick up the pieces of that debacle, merely added to it with more hugely expensive gambles.

 

I certainly think a new manager could get this lot playing, I guess the argument remains can FSG make the right appointment.

 

It's a massive call, possibly the biggest in our history.

Whoah whoah whoah.....

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They may not be shit, but they have robbed this club of hope, and that is arguably as bad. We know even if they replace Brendan it won't be with Klopp or someone with pedigree. Liverpool needs a visionary, world-class boss or at least one world class player like Suarez and previously, Gerrard. The fans buzz off it. You always feel like you have a chance with star quality. Mediocrity destroys the atmosphere and support.

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LIVERPOOL: WILL FSG STILL SEARCH FOR A SHORTCUT IF THEY SACK RODGERS?

by Gareth Roberts // 21 September 2015 //

 

 

Brendan Rodgers is clearly walking a tightrope now as regards his future and many regard his fall to the floor as the answer to all Liverpool’s ills. Yet his sacking, as warranted as it may be, will likely just spark another set of questions. Perhaps even bigger questions.

The current regime backed itself to find a shortcut to glory. It doesn’t exist. So what now?

 

The points he makes have all been trotted out on here time after time, 

The conclusion that his sacking some way sparks bigger questions is just fatuous, The only question it sparks is why he was appointed in the first place and is no way some sort of reason not to sack him. He has had time and money and failed badly and has to go .

If the owners follow the logical path they will not repeat their mistakes as it cannot have failed to filter through to FSG that what they are currently doing is burning money, alienating the support base and winning fuck all 

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. Liverpool dropped points to a team they needed to beat at Anfield. Again. Even Graeme Souness managed to mastermind a decent Anfield record in his rightly-maligned spell in charge. So the calls come again. The manager should go. How much longer? Don’t let a Hodgson situation develop. Liverpool should be better than this. Clearly. But do we really expect FSG to ditch their man after seven games? I don’t. The owners of the club made their decision in the summer and until results become untenable by their set of criteria, which clearly runs beyond won two, drawn two, lost two in the Premier League, Rodgers will remain.

 

It's things like this that send me. Imo, supporters need to take a fucking position and set their own criteria for getting rid. Many posters on here and other sites backed the manager for a lot longer than me but most of them now want him out. If it's time for a change, it's time for a change.

 

We can't change what the owners do unless there's a solid consensus among supporters. Some people think 6 games is too soon (as if the last 12 of last season don't count). Fine. When is enough, enough?

 

Agenda? Listen to their podcast today.

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Even if they're not shit, they're incredibly fucking arrogant to think that football is so simple a game that with absolutely no background or grounding they can come into it and implement a roadmap to success that no one else had the werewithall to come up with; that everyone else involved is so simple as to have never have come up with their master plan; that we've all missed the obvious.

 

Rodgers deserves every bit of flac coming his way, but he's not the only one at our club who is way out fo their debt - including the little fucking Harley-riding goblin an all.

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