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There's no excuse not to sign a creative player with Lallana's recurring injury problems and Coutinho sold.  To do otherwise is reckless and risks turning a promising season into nothing.  

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Of course they're shit. They're Yanks. Only in it for one thing and that's the money. Either now in the short term or with a future sale.

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There's no excuse not to sign a creative player with Lallana's recurring injury problems and Coutinho sold.  To do otherwise is reckless and risks turning a promising season into nothing.  

 

 

Correct.

 

This goes south (again), can't see any further than the people who own the company.

Anyone who points to the fact Jurgen is happy with this, well, they know as much as most on here do.

 

No one knows what conditions/budget our manager has to work under.

Looking outside in, as we speak, to strengthen one area, we've had to weaken another. 

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Why are you (and lots of others) focusing on net outlay, though? I think that’s the question we need to ask ourselves. Is net spend the key to winning or is overall outlay and making sure we get bang for our buck more important. If purely winning is what’s important to you, net spend isn’t the only thing to look at and I’d argue it’s not the most important thing to look at.

 

I think it depends. We’ve sold 75 players under FSG. I’d argue that between 2-4 of them have been players we actually didn’t want to sell. We aren’t at the top of the food chain so, especially with South Americans, that can happen when one of the few clubs that can poach from us come in. Importantly, we got 540m for those 75 players. 340 of it was on just five players (Torres, Suarez, Sterling, Benteke, Coutinho).

 

The Coutinho income almost doubles the net spend. Net spend has fluctuated massively in the space of a week this window. It’s not the be all and end all. Once that money is spent again, it’ll go up. I’m much more concerned with us buying the right players with the money we spend. I don’t care if the money comes from donations from owners or from the sales of players we don’t want. I care about how much we have to spend, and how well it is spent. When our best player gets poached, we need to reinvest that money wisely.

 

Focusing on just net spend is simply a way to make everything look bleak. If you look at the signings under Klopp, it does not look bleak at all.

 

I agree with the broader sentiment of this post, in that the net spend isn't the be all and end all, and it certainly doesn't paint the whole picture. However, you cannot disregard what it denotes; value coming in and out of the team. Coutinho was worth 140m to Barcelona. Ostensibly, this means he would be worth the same amount to us. This is the reason why he is the type of player who is 'difficult to replace'.

 

Moving on, my concern isn't about net spend - if Klopp identified a player for 5m tomorrow who would at least have the potential to strengthen us for the rest of the reason, at least I could get behind something. Inaction is not something I can get behind. It's born out of ill preparation or cowardice, because if we as a club aren't able to find somebody to strengthen this shit squad, those are the only two reasons.

 

Transfers are my biggest concern under Klopp. I love him, but I've always had this concern. At Dortmund, he had other fellas pulling the strings. Here, he seems like a deer in the headlights. His signings to date have been the following:

 

  • Karius - utterly shite
  • Matip - average and unconvincing
  • Wijnaldum - shite
  • VVD - TBD
  • AOxC - good
  • Mane - great
  • Salah - great, but identified by the recruitment team
  • Robertson - great, but identified by the recruitment team

Forgive me if I've forgotten somebody, and the above isn't posted to lambast Klopp, but to show that apprehension on his ability in the market is fair.

 

In defense of Klopp, he has spent the square root of fuck all...but it's not clear whether that's his choice or his bosses'.

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I dont think they are cunts and i dont think they are shit. They are very clever businessmen milking a global giant. They do what they must but offer nothing more.

 

Also i dont just blame them for everything as the manager is also responsible for certain things.

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When Keita. arrives we'll have bought five first teamers over 12 months and lost one. That looks like a reasonable level of investment to me so I'm not getting on FSG's case at the moment.

 

But I do expect Klopp to have £100m or so plus sales to spend in the summer. He says he has funding so we'll see.

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I dont think they are cunts and i dont think they are shit. They are very clever businessmen milking a global giant. They do what they must but offer nothing more.

 

Also i dont just blame them for everything as the manager is also responsible for certain things.

 

 

They are what they are.

 

What they are, is not good enough for us, if we want to win things.

 

They're nowhere near the worst, but they're nowhere near the best neither.`

 

We are where we are.

It could be worse, but it could be a lot fucking better. But then, it's been this way for years.

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When Keita. arrives we'll have bought five first teamers over 12 months and lost one. That looks like a reasonable level of investment to me so I'm not getting on FSG's case at the moment.

 

Two. Can and Coutinho.

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When Keita. arrives we'll have bought five first teamers over 12 months and lost one. That looks like a reasonable level of investment to me so I'm not getting on FSG's case at the moment.

 

But I do expect Klopp to have £100m or so plus sales to spend in the summer. He says he has funding so we'll see.

 

 

Yeah, but mate, how many "warchest's" we going to have? Every window it's the same. Jam tomorrow.

 

Yes, our team is miles better than it ever has been, and in 6 months it will be improved upon, but who knows at what cost?

 

Our owners lack ambition.

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When Keita. arrives we'll have bought five first teamers over 12 months and lost one. That looks like a reasonable level of investment to me so I'm not getting on FSG's case at the moment.

 

But I do expect Klopp to have £100m or so plus sales to spend in the summer. He says he has funding so we'll see.

Yep. That’s about it.

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Yeah, but mate, how many "warchest's" we going to have? Every window it's the same. Jam tomorrow.

 

Yes, our team is miles better than it ever has been, and in 6 months it will be improved upon, but who knows at what cost?

 

Our owners lack ambition.

 

Our team is miles better than it ever has been? Really?

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Two. Can and Coutinho.

Can may still be staying. And I'm not at all sure he's a first teamer when Keita arrives.

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There's no excuse not to sign a creative player with Lallana's recurring injury problems and Coutinho sold. To do otherwise is reckless and risks turning a promising season into nothing.

It'll be Hobson's, er I mean Klopp's choice don't ya know.

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No, but that's not the point. Obviously.

 

I didn't mean to pull you up on symantics and I get it wasn't your point - I was just checking.

 

But now that we're here, I'll explain why I'm checking...and why maybe it is the point, or at least mine.

 

There is an undercurrent of thought that we're some fucking boss side. We're really not. We're great in parts, with good potential, but seriously awful flaws. It feels like a win over City (which we could have thrown away in the last 10 minutes) and people start thinking we're mustard.

 

Let's just remind ourselves - we got fourth last year by the virtue of 1 fucking solitary point, above an Arsenal side that was considered so shit that their entire fanbase wanted their manager and entire board to be sacked.

 

4 Liverpool    76

5 Arsenal       75 

 

Right now, we're in a similar position. Precariously hovering above fifth, with two sides gunning to overtake us, both of whom are currently doing their utmost to strengthen.

 

People who express their fear of finishing out of the top four are not doom mongering. There is a very good chance that it will happen, especially if Firmino's hamstring suddenly pings.

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I didn't mean to pull you up on symantics and I get it wasn't your point - I was just checking.

 

But now that we're here, I'll explain why I'm checking...and why maybe it is the point, or at least mine.

 

There is an undercurrent of thought that we're some fucking boss side. We're really not. We're great in parts, with good potential, but seriously awful flaws. It feels like a win over City (which we could have thrown away in the last 10 minutes) and people start thinking we're mustard.

 

Let's just remind ourselves - we got fourth last year by the virtue of 1 fucking solitary point, above an Arsenal side that was considered so shit that their entire fanbase wanted their manager and entire board to be sacked.

 

4 Liverpool    76

5 Arsenal       75 

 

Right now, we're in a similar position. Precariously hovering above fifth, with two sides gunning to overtake us, both of whom are currently doing their utmost to strengthen.

 

People who express their fear of finishing out of the top four are not doom mongering. There is a very good chance that it will happen, especially if Firmino's hamstring suddenly pings.

 

 

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I didn't mean to pull you up on symantics and I get it wasn't your point - I was just checking.

 

But now that we're here, I'll explain why I'm checking...and why maybe it is the point, or at least mine.

 

There is an undercurrent of thought that we're some fucking boss side. We're really not. We're great in parts, with good potential, but seriously awful flaws. It feels like a win over City (which we could have thrown away in the last 10 minutes) and people start thinking we're mustard.

 

Let's just remind ourselves - we got fourth last year by the virtue of 1 fucking solitary point, above an Arsenal side that was considered so shit that their entire fanbase wanted their manager and entire board to be sacked.

 

4 Liverpool    76

5 Arsenal       75 

 

Right now, we're in a similar position. Precariously hovering above fifth, with two sides gunning to overtake us, both of whom are currently doing their utmost to strengthen.

 

People who express their fear of finishing out of the top four are not doom mongering. There is a very good chance that it will happen, especially if Firmino's hamstring suddenly pings.

 

 

Yup.

 

We're still the same 2/3 players short of where we need to be, and have been for years.

I don't see this changing soon.

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I didn't mean to pull you up on symantics and I get it wasn't your point - I was just checking.

 

But now that we're here, I'll explain why I'm checking...and why maybe it is the point, or at least mine.

 

There is an undercurrent of thought that we're some fucking boss side. We're really not. We're great in parts, with good potential, but seriously awful flaws. It feels like a win over City (which we could have thrown away in the last 10 minutes) and people start thinking we're mustard.

 

Let's just remind ourselves - we got fourth last year by the virtue of 1 fucking solitary point, above an Arsenal side that was considered so shit that their entire fanbase wanted their manager and entire board to be sacked.

 

4 Liverpool    76

5 Arsenal       75 

 

Right now, we're in a similar position. Precariously hovering above fifth, with two sides gunning to overtake us, both of whom are currently doing their utmost to strengthen.

 

People who express their fear of finishing out of the top four are not doom mongering. There is a very good chance that it will happen, especially if Firmino's hamstring suddenly pings.

 

Which was a big improvement on the previous seasons, one fucking point or not. We are a seriously improved side, probably the best since 08/09 or even longer. We are on the right track at the moment.

 

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Which was a big improvement on the previous seasons, one fucking point or not. We are a seriously improved side, probably the best since 08/09 or even longer. We are on the right track at the moment.

 

 

But the powers at be are not interested in going that extra yard.

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But the powers at be are not interested in going that extra yard.

 

This would be something we could say once we have experienced stagnation (again). We are better than last year and serious contenders for the top 3. Last year was a considerable improvement also. I expect us to challenge for the title next year. If we don't, if we drop out of the top 4 again at the end of this year, if the manager starts dropping hints or openly accusing the owners of not supporting him - yes. But at the moment, we are in a good place, enjoying our football and generally moving in the right direction.

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This would be something we could say once we have experienced stagnation (again). We are better than last year and serious contenders for the top 3. Last year was a considerable improvement also. I expect us to challenge for the title next year. If we don't, if we drop out of the top 4 again at the end of this year, if the manager starts dropping hints or openly accusing the owners of not supporting him - yes. But at the moment, we are in a good place, enjoying our football and generally moving in the right direction.

Are we better than last year? At the moment I'd say we're about the same we've just had our peaks and troughs at different times. We'll see come May.

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I agree with the broader sentiment of this post, in that the net spend isn't the be all and end all, and it certainly doesn't paint the whole picture. However, you cannot disregard what it denotes; value coming in and out of the team. Coutinho was worth 140m to Barcelona. Ostensibly, this means he would be worth the same amount to us. This is the reason why he is the type of player who is 'difficult to replace'.

 

Moving on, my concern isn't about net spend - if Klopp identified a player for 5m tomorrow who would at least have the potential to strengthen us for the rest of the reason, at least I could get behind something. Inaction is not something I can get behind. It's born out of ill preparation or cowardice, because if we as a club aren't able to find somebody to strengthen this shit squad, those are the only two reasons.

 

Transfers are my biggest concern under Klopp. I love him, but I've always had this concern. At Dortmund, he had other fellas pulling the strings. Here, he seems like a deer in the headlights. His signings to date have been the following:

 

  • Karius - utterly shite
  • Matip - average and unconvincing
  • Wijnaldum - shite
  • VVD - TBD
  • AOxC - good
  • Mane - great
  • Salah - great, but identified by the recruitment team
  • Robertson - great, but identified by the recruitment team

Forgive me if I've forgotten somebody, and the above isn't posted to lambast Klopp, but to show that apprehension on his ability in the market is fair.

 

In defense of Klopp, he has spent the square root of fuck all...but it's not clear whether that's his choice or his bosses'.

 

Honestly, this is a ridiculous post. Do you realize how good a transfer record that is compared to most managers?

 

The only true failure in that pile is Karius and he came for a pittance. And as crap as I think Wijnaldum is, he's still been a contributor to a top 4 and Champions League knockout stage side. 

 

When he has decided to spend money, his judgment has been almost completely spot on. That's really not hard to get.

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This would be something we could say once we have experienced stagnation (again). We are better than last year and serious contenders for the top 3. Last year was a considerable improvement also. I expect us to challenge for the title next year. If we don't, if we drop out of the top 4 again at the end of this year, if the manager starts dropping hints or openly accusing the owners of not supporting him - yes. But at the moment, we are in a good place, enjoying our football and generally moving in the right direction.

 

 

But haven't we just improved in one area, and weakened another?

 

That's my point. Why must we weaken one are of the team to strengthen another?

Why not do both?

 

Yes, Phil wanted to go, but we knew that, and look like doing nothing about his replacement. 

It looks like the VVD/Keita money has been boxed off by selling Phil.

 

That's the point. We're an equivalent of the battle of the Somme. Inch, by inch, by inch, by inch.

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This would be something we could say once we have experienced stagnation (again). We are better than last year and serious contenders for the top 3. Last year was a considerable improvement also. I expect us to challenge for the title next year. If we don't, if we drop out of the top 4 again at the end of this year, if the manager starts dropping hints or openly accusing the owners of not supporting him - yes. But at the moment, we are in a good place, enjoying our football and generally moving in the right direction.

I’ve seen enough and how many more times are we going to say “ if such and doesn’t happen, then we know what their ambition is”

 

It’s not in their nature to compete, that would take bravery, they are naturally cautious and this sport is not their passion. They obviously can’t be honest about it and have to keep the majority of the fan base “ believing”

 

They only have an interest in keeping us there or thereabouts which protects their investment, keeps sponsors happy and gives some fans hope.

 

If, and it’s a big if, we win something it will be in spite of them and not because of them.

 

They have succeeded in lowering expectations slowly but surely.

 

What is success to us, isn’t success to them.

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I’ve seen enough and how many more times are we going to say “ if such and doesn’t happen, then we know what their ambition is”

 

It’s not in their nature to compete, that would take bravery, they are naturally cautious and this sport is not their passion. They obviously can’t be honest about it and have to keep the majority of the fan base “ believing”

 

They only have an interest in keeping us there or thereabouts which protects their investment, keeps sponsors happy and gives some fans hope.

 

If, and it’s a big if, we win something it will be in spite of them and not because of them.

 

They have succeeded in lowering expectations slowly but surely.

 

What is success to us, isn’t success to them.

 

 

Bang on.

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