Fracking

[Rico1304]

Lancashire council has just rejected an application to start fracking - what do you think?

[TheHowieLama]

Smells funny.

[General Dryness]

Frack 'em.

[Jairzinho]

Good news. Seemingly all the protests etc have worked.

[Son of L8]

Lancashire council has just rejected an application to start fracking - what do you think?

 

That depends. Who were they going to start fracking?

[Rico1304]

Good news. Seemingly all the protests etc have worked.

What about the jobs it'd have created? Cheap energy, less reliance on the Middle East.

[Paulie Dangerously]

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/fracking-whats-killing-the-babies-of-vernal-utah-20150622?page=2

[Strontium]

Lancashire council has just rejected an application to start fracking - what do you think?

 

Luddites.

[Strontium]

 

What about the jobs it'd have created? Cheap energy, less reliance on the Middle East.

 

Those are good reasons, but not enough in themselves to support fracking.

 

However, the Royal Society's report makes it clear that fracking can be done safely in this country. Science.

 

https://royalsociety.org/policy/projects/shale-gas-extraction/report/

[Stu Monty]

Can.

 

Oil can be extracted safely too.

 

It just costs money. Money better spent getting around the sort of strong regulation that the royal society say is essential.

 

I'd much rather energy policy was directed elsewhere.

[Stickman]

Couldn't give a flying frack

[PestiRed]

What's the point? Other countries use money from energy resources to advance their society or infrastructure. Thatcher pointlessly used the oil money to reduce the deficit and Cameron will just hand over the gas money to his mates to be squirrelled away in tax shelters.

 

Might as well leave the stuff in the ground

[Section_31]

It's apparently caused tremors in the States and there are a lot of unknowns, but when big business assured us it was safe it set my mind at ease. I'm devestated in this news. 

[setreal]

 

 

 

Those are good reasons, but not enough in themselves to support fracking.

 

However, the Royal Society's report makes it clear that fracking can be done safely in this country. Science.

 

https://royalsociety.org/policy/projects/shale-gas-extraction/report/

 

 

Which means that you can't let private companies driven by shareholder interest do it. Agreed.

[setreal]

It's apparently caused tremors in the States and there are a lot of unknowns, but when big business assured us it was safe it set my mind at ease. I'm devestated in this news. 

 

Haven't you seen the movie? Tremors may seem frightening sure, but in reality they are fun and ace and offer the possibility of a romantic subplot.

[setreal]

However, the Royal Society's report makes it clear that fracking can be done safely in this country. Science.

 

https://royalsociety.org/policy/projects/shale-gas-extraction/report/

 

 

...and has just this year elaborated on new information that has come up since then and limits to the report made in 2012. "Can be done safely" also only applied back then long as "best practices are implemented and enforced through regulation". Now even that is not clear cut anymore. Science.

 

https://royalsociety.org/~/media/policy/Publications/2015/01-07-15-rs-response-environmental-audit-committee-environmental-risks-fracking.pdf

[General Dryness]

...and has just this year elaborated on new information that has come up since then and limits to the report made in 2012. "Can be done safely" also only applied back then long as "best practices are implemented and enforced through regulation". Now even that is not clear cut anymore. Science.

 

https://royalsociety.org/~/media/policy/Publications/2015/01-07-15-rs-response-environmental-audit-committee-environmental-risks-fracking.pdf

 

Which of course always happens.

 

I'm looking at you, BP.

[Bobby Hundreds]

One worry I read with Fracking in the US is many company's whose duty it was to clean up after the sites ran dry, declared bankruptcy so as not pay for the clean up. It was proposed in this country that Fracking companies take insurance policies out to cover any clean up costs  but the government overruled it, which seems bizarre to me. Frackers must make good political donations. 

[Ginny]

Think its time to start coming up with alternative sources of energy rather than wringing the ground dry of oil. 

[Rico1304]

We had one of our strategists present at a team meeting a few weeks ago, it was fascinating (as much as work can ever be fascinating). They'd built a model to work out the optimum blend of renewables, fossil and nuclear based on different scenarios or policies. Nuclear or some other immediate resource is essential. The more renewable you have the more nuclear you need.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Think its time to start coming up with alternative sources of energy rather than wringing the ground dry of oil. 

Indeed.  Fossil fuels are safe as long as they stay in the ground.

[Stu Monty]

We had one of our strategists present at a team meeting a few weeks ago, it was fascinating (as much as work can ever be fascinating). They'd built a model to work out the optimum blend of renewables, fossil and nuclear based on different scenarios or policies. Nuclear or some other immediate resource is essential. The more renewable you have the more nuclear you need.

Despite the stigma around it Nuclear is probably the best chance to limit the absolute chaos climate change is going to cause.

[VladimirIlyich]

They are looking at Methane,which is in abundance under the sea,but it is unbelievably unstable and explosive. Never stopped them before mind you.

[General Dryness]

They are looking at Methane,which is in abundance under the sea,but it is unbelievably unstable and explosive. Never stopped them before mind you.

 

Methane Clathrate? Yeah I've heard of this.

 

Incredibly dangerous though. One of the theories behind the Storegga Slide was that it was caused by a load of this collapsing.

 

Have you read The Swarm by Frank Schatzing? Good sci fi yarn, deals with a lot of this stuff.

[dennis tooth]

Despite the stigma around it Nuclear is probably the best chance to limit the absolute chaos climate change is going to cause.

We dont have anywhere to store the nuclear waste we already built up as it is, its good to be dangerous for a few thousand years, yes, lets be ignorant of facts then and limit chaos.

 

Awful opinion you clearly got from some journo who told you to think this mainstream propaganda, its worse than sell fish jeans which is where that crapbelongs on st johns market looking for a kenwood jacket ya biff