Labour Leadership Contest

[Jairzinho]

The question was not written to determine whether or not corbyn is electable, the conclusion TD drew. It was written to determine who was most popular among labor candidates. To that extent Rico's right.

 

We are constantly told by the PLP and the media that people shouldn't vote for him in the leadership race because he's unelectable. Suggesting that one/two/three of the other three are. This survey suggests that isn't the case.

[Anubis]

Strange to see Burnham condemning petty politics, while having started to indulge in petty politics over the last week.

[Rotpeter]

We are constantly told by the PLP and the media that people shouldn't vote for him in the leadership race because he's unelectable. Suggesting that one/two/three of the other three are. This survey suggests that isn't the case.

That's one way of deconstructing it,not the way the OP did mind you.

 

One of my favorite quotes is Never trust statistics you haven't falsified yourself. These kind of opinion polls come under the same umbrella for me. When I was doing six sigma I used to bias these kind of polls all the time.

[sir roger]

Mark Steel quite amusing in the Daily Mirror today, saying he has been knocked back for membership as ' We have reason to believe that you do not support the aims and values of the Labour party'. He goes on to apologise for failing to invade Iraq or become friends with Gaddafi.He suggests his other membership ( Rileys snooker club in Croydon ) must be the problem.

 

I have not followed this thread as closely as I should, but hopefully it has been pointed out that if left wing Labour MP's had come out saying that if Kendall or Cooper got in then they would not support them & try to get rid of them within a year, they would be soon subject to de-selection measures.

[Jairzinho]

Do you believe that these polls do absolutely nothing to dispel the agenda driven notion that he's completely unelectable? Nothing at all? 

 

We're led to believe by the PLP that he's a crackpot Stalinist and the entire electorate will see him as such, you'd need to have done a phenomenal amount of shenanigans to manipulate these polls if that were actually the case.

[Rotpeter]

Do you believe that these polls do absolutely nothing to dispel the agenda driven notion that he's completely unelectable? Nothing at all? 

 

We're led to believe by the PLP that he's a crackpot Stalinist and the entire electorate will see him as such, you'd need to have done a phenomenal amount of shenanigans to manipulate these polls if that were actually the case.

I just said the I think the OPs inference is stronger than the data. No need for a flight to absolutes or to play the Stalin card, I'm not the PLP.

[SammyAftershave]

Fuck me, a Labour politician with Labour principles. Didn't see that one coming. And neither did the Labour party (amongst others) He's got them all rattled hasn't he?

 

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094576/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

[Jairzinho]

I just said the I think the OPs inference is stronger than the data. No need for a flight to absolutes or to play the Stalin card, I'm not the PLP.

 

I was doing the complete opposite of this.

[Turkish Delight]

That's one way of deconstructing it,not the way the OP did mind you.

 

One of my favorite quotes is Never trust statistics you haven't falsified yourself. These kind of opinion polls come under the same umbrella for me. When I was doing six sigma I used to bias these kind of polls all the time.

I should have explained myself a bit better but I'd tried to leave it for other people to draw their own conclusions. I have no idea if he'd win an election and certainly wouldn't jump to say he would off the back of one poll.

 

The interesting part for me is that he doesn't seem quite as unpopular among the general public as is being suggested.

[Section_31]

Is that Corbyn wearing a leather jacket in that pamphlet? As if he couldn't get any more ace.

[Rotpeter]

I should have explained myself a bit better but I'd tried to leave it for other people to draw their own conclusions. I have no idea if he'd win an election and certainly wouldn't jump to say he would off the back of one poll.

 

The interesting part for me is that he doesn't seem quite as unpopular among the general public as is being suggested.

I knew what you meant, I thought today was national pedantism day, so waded in.

[Boss]

[Kant]

Yep, that's settled it.

Morphy Richards gets my vote.

[Jairzinho]

"Let's stand up for our timeless Labour values"

 

You fucking what, mate?

[Anubis]

http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/sunday-times-corbyn-smear-busted.html

 

 

http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/dont-menshn-jeremy-corbyn.html

 

https://mountainpeople1968.wordpress.com/2015/08/13/the-trouble-with-louise/

[VladimirIlyich]

Im more undecided on the Deputy than the leader. Its going to be either Watson or Eagle but Dennis Skinner has endorsed Watson and its difficult to argue with one of your heroes.

[Champ]

Im more undecided on the Deputy than the leader. Its going to be either Watson or Eagle but Dennis Skinner has endorsed Watson and its difficult to argue with one of your heroes.

Although I am drawn to Dan Jarvis's appeal for a woman deputy

[Creator Supreme]

I'm delighted that Corbyn is going to win this, but it will be the end of the PLP!

 

The schism in the party is planet sized now, and there is no quick road to repairing it.

 

Maybe no bad thing, spend a few years weeding out the pseudo Tories, and making the Labour party a socialist party once again!

[Sut]

A lot of the "Labour" MPs hold their seats due them being in strong Labour constituencies and not down to the electorate recognising their sterling contributions towards representing their views. When Corbyn wins, let the fuckers throw their hands in and stand again against actual Labour candidates there and see if they get back in.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

I think the split was always going to happen, one way or the other. It'll be interesting to see how the Labour right come out of it though, as they'll have press backing, but in the house they'll appear more aligned to the Tory ideology than ever, and the rise of the SNP voice will only emphasise that.

 

Unlike with the Tories though, whose fringes could depart to UKIP, where would a centre-right Labour MP go? Their only option is to attack those on the left and try to force them out, so it's only going to get more vicious.

[Jose Jones]

I think the split was always going to happen, one way or the other. It'll be interesting to see how the Labour right come out of it though, as they'll have press backing, but in the house they'll appear more aligned to the Tory ideology than ever, and the rise of the SNP voice will only emphasise that.

 

Unlike with the Tories though, whose fringes could depart to UKIP, where would a centre-right Labour MP go? Their only option is to attack those on the left and try to force them out, so it's only going to get more vicious.

They could join the Lib Dems.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Although I am drawn to Dan Jarvis's appeal for a woman deputy

Finally got some response from the Labour Party. Dan Jarvis was the first regarding the deputy leader. I can't see beyond Tom Watson myself for that.

 

Then I got my email from Jeremy this morning. Nothing is swaying me at all from voting for him.

[Jairzinho]

It's going to be Corbyn and Watson. What happens next is more interesting. Will the New Labour psychopaths successfully oust them, or will they just fuck off and join the Tories/Lib Dems, or create a new centre right party.

 

Brown will have one last attempt at getting members to vote for what Stewart Lee today describes as "one of three wooden spoons with faces drawn on them that, if viewed from a certain angle, might look reassuringly like some of the people that are already in power." 

 

Probably Burnham. It might make the vote a bit closer, but I'd be surprised if it did enough to prevent Corbyn from winning.

[Champ]

It's going to be Corbyn and Watson. What happens next is more interesting. Will the New Labour psychopaths successfully oust them, or will they just fuck off and join the Tories/Lib Dems, or create a new centre right party.

 

Brown will have one last attempt at getting members to vote for what Stewart Lee today describes as "one of three wooden spoons with faces drawn on them that, if viewed from a certain angle, might look reassuringly like some of the people that are already in power." [/size]

 

Probably Burnham. It might make the vote a bit closer, but I'd be surprised if it did enough to prevent Corbyn from winning.

He just looks like another of the old guard desperately appealing for the status quo. Where have all these been in the opposition to the Tories?

[Sugar Ape]

If all these Labour ' big hitters ' had put as much effort into fighting the welfare bill as they had fighting Corbyn then they might have gone some way to blocking it taking into account the tiny majority the Tories have got.

 

Abstaining on that has cost Burnham any chance he's had on winning, the other two have never had a chance anyway in my opinion.