Labour Leadership Contest

[stringvest]

Burnham is a Gerry Anderson downs syndrome puppet. He is like 99 per cent of politicians, a self-serving career politician with opportunistic soundbites instead of principles.

 

If this campaign has done anything, it has shamed us into remembering that politicians do not need to be small minded greedy selfish little fuckers, and that we get the politicians we deserve.

[xerxes]

If Burnham, Kendall & Cooper can't work out how to beat Corbyn, then it's pretty clear they weren't going to beat the Tories.

[Section_31]

A lot of people have been fooled by Burnham. My dad told Baroness Morris a few months back that he thought Burnham was just a hack, and she disagreed and said she thought he was very capable. Go figure. I think Lord Cokehead had it right when he told those prozzies that Burnham just goes whichever way the wind blows.

 

I don't think he's a bad guy especially, I just get the feeling there's nobody home. 

[Anubis]

I think Burnham hit his high watermark with his handling of Hillsborough. At heart, I don't think he's a bad guy, but he and Cooper have clearly fallen into playing the Murdoch game. The abstention on voting on the Welfare Bill was a massive misstep, and from that point onwards all of Burnham, Cooper and Kendall have looked like rabbits caught in headlights, unable to give a straight answer to a question.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

If Burnham, Kendall & Cooper can't work out how to beat Corbyn, then it's pretty clear they weren't going to beat the Tories.

 

Different battle grounds though surely?

 

I'd have more faith in them being able to appear like the kind of janus-faced career politicians who can grab the centre-right ground whilst giving nods to socialism - and thus taking a reasonable slice of the national vote - than I would them managing to battle anyone on actual principles.

[Section_31]

I think Burnham hit his high watermark with his handling of Hillsborough. At heart, I don't think he's a bad guy, but he and Cooper have clearly fallen into playing the Murdoch game. The abstention on voting on the Welfare Bill was a massive misstep, and from that point onwards all of Burnham, Cooper and Kendall have looked like rabbits caught in headlights, unable to give a straight answer to a question.

 

Burnam and the others have swallowed the spiel that Miliband lost because he was too left wing, he never, he lost because he looked daft eating a bacon sandwich -  it really is that simple, this is the country we live in. 

[TheBitch]

Burnam and the others have swallowed the spiel that Miliband lost because he was too left wing, he never, he lost because he looked daft eating a bacon sandwich -  it really is that simple, this is the country we live in.

 

I know what you're saying here, Sec', but the right wing media will make Corbyn look daft eating a bacon sandwich too, the thing is he's already engaged people in his policies, young people are keen and interested and there's the feel of a movement, Miliband never generated any of that, nobody knew he was opposing tory policies if he even did oppose any, young people weren't interested.

 

Miliband lost because he was shit and his party were shit.

[Champ]

I know what you're saying here, Sec', but the right wing media will make Corbyn look daft eating a bacon sandwich too, the thing is he's already engaged people in his policies, young people are keen and interested and there's the feel of a movement, Miliband never generated any of that, nobody knew he was opposing tory policies if he even did oppose any, young people weren't interested.

Miliband lost because he was shit and his party were shit.

Not just young people, although I know what you're saying. This election has engaged me, and I might suggest others on here, in a way the General Election never did

[Gnasher]

A lot of people have been fooled by Burnham. My dad told Baroness Morris a few months back that he thought Burnham was just a hack, and she disagreed and said she thought he was very capable. Go figure. I think Lord Cokehead had it right when he told those prozzies that Burnham just goes whichever way the wind blows.

Think your old mans bang on the button regarding Burnham. Nothing more than a chancer.

[Bobby Hundreds]

I see that in the US the rightwing magazine the national review have labelled Bernie Sanders a Nazi, saying he is a socialist but also a nationalist he is a national socialist and this is in spite of the fact he is of jewish descent and his family where murdered by the Nazi's. If you are  a threat to the gravy train,  the media will go hell for leather to destroy you, some in more subtle ways than others granted.

[Strontium]

Corbyn now the 11/8 favourite. Scenes.

 

The Labour supporting friend of a friend reckons they will be reduced to 125 seats with Corbyn as leader. Seems a little on the pessimistic side.

[Anubis]

And now has the endorsement of Unison as well as Unite.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Corbyn now the 11/8 favourite. Scenes.

Well, at least people with a have two different choices. The 'they're all the same' thing is going to have to stop.

[Spy Bee]

I think people are starting to see past the media, but I still think they hold huge power. I presume in Spain for example where a left wing party rose to power the media is less dominated by corporates?

[Tyler Durden]

I just wish Corbyn was 10 years younger, he'll be 71 won't he by time the next election comes around?

[Skidfingers McGonical]

And now has the endorsement of Unison as well as Unite.

And the games begin.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Corbyn now the 11/8 favourite. Scenes.

 

The Labour supporting friend of a friend reckons they will be reduced to 125 seats with Corbyn as leader. Seems a little on the pessimistic side.

If he can get those went to the Lib Dems and Greens from Labour back on board he could prove your mate wrong.

 

Only time will tell.

[Strontium]

I just wish Corbyn was 10 years younger, he'll be 71 won't he by time the next election comes around?

 

Not that much of an issue I don't think, he looks pretty spry for a man in his late 60s, and Liverpool's own William Gladstone served as PM until he was 84.

[Tyler Durden]

Not that much of an issue I don't think, he looks pretty spry for a man in his late 60s, and Liverpool's own William Gladstone served as PM until he was 84.

I think if he was still about now he wouldn't last that long, it seems pretty non stop these days. Even Cameron is packing in early while still relatively young (wasn't that his promise that he wouldn't serve a 3rd term?)

[Jairzinho]

I think people are starting to see past the media, but I still think they hold huge power. I presume in Spain for example where a left wing party rose to power the media is less dominated by corporates?

 

http://rs21.org.uk/2014/06/06/what-can-the-british-left-learn-from-podemos/

[Section_31]

I just wish Corbyn was 10 years younger, he'll be 71 won't he by time the next election comes around?

Sincerely doubt he'll ever be PM but what this has at least done is ignite a debate over what the party should be about, people are energised by the fact they're apparently not 'all the same' and hopefully if he doesn't get in or is treated shabbily people will be angered by the fact they nearly had something different and it was snatched away.

[xerxes]

I think Burnham hit his high watermark with his handling of Hillsborough. At heart, I don't think he's a bad guy, but he and Cooper have clearly fallen into playing the Murdoch game. The abstention on voting on the Welfare Bill was a massive misstep, and from that point onwards all of Burnham, Cooper and Kendall have looked like rabbits caught in headlights, unable to give a straight answer to a question.

Given his professed “grounding” locally, Burnham’s conversion to the Hillsborough cause was suspiciously late, let us not forget that in government he was part of the problem, not the solution.

 

He has taken the classic careerist political route, Cambridge, researcher, SPAD, never having had a proper job.

 

His craven manipulation of fluoridisation while in office, and failing to declare his interest in the industry. was a depressingly familiar chapter in the book of Westminster self- aggrandisement amongst those who go native.

 

Like, or loathe, Corbyn. there is an authenticity about him which the likes of Burnham simply do not have.

[Jairzinho]

Clive Lewis can take over from Corbyn in 2021.

[Anubis]

Corbyn is speaking at the Adelphi Hotel on Saturday. Doors open 6pm for a 7pm start. Entry is free. Just turn up.

 

The TUC have organised it. According to the Guardian they have an overspill room ready as they're expecting much interest.

[Tyler Durden]

Corbyn is speaking at the Adelphi Hotel on Saturday. Doors open 6pm for a 7pm start. Entry is free. Just turn up.

The TUC have organised it. According to the Guardian they have an overspill room ready as they're expecting much interest.

Got a party Saturday but debating whether to get ready early and go down