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Should the UK remain a member of the EU

  

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9 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

The custom union can stay, im personallynot that arsed. The single market can fuck off; just a corporate squeeze 

 

The customs union only covers goods, though, so you haven't really defined what sort of relationship you want the UK to have with Europe with regard to the rest of the economy.  Only that you want us out of the single market. 

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On 2/4/2019 at 11:29 AM, Section_31 said:

It's funny, I genuinely don't think most people have a problem with migration per se, but with the fact they're not allowed to have a problem with it. 

 

For some reason in recent years, immigration debates have been conflated into ideas of class and intelligence. If you've been island hopping in Thailand for three months and are a citizen of the world you seem to think you've got carte blanche to look down on those that haven't. I think people just got fed up with that and part of that backlash came through with Brexit.  

 

On 2/4/2019 at 11:30 AM, Trumo said:

 

Harsh on TheBitch that.

Fucks sake mate.

Feel like cancelling my next trip now and any plans I had to wear my new jacket while stuck up some hot ladyboy in Bangkok look pretty awful too. 

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Emily Thornberry talking shite this morning about how surprised she is that 70% don't support remain and it's her duty to pursue Brexit. No, you dim twit, it's your duty to ensure you don't fuck the country, not hide behind an opinion poll in 2016 and abrogate your responsibilities in a representative democracy.

 

No wonder Labour are shedding the support of the younger voters when you've got such political cowardice at the top of the party. 

 

 

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On 2/4/2019 at 11:29 AM, Section_31 said:

It's funny, I genuinely don't think most people have a problem with migration per se, but with the fact they're not allowed to have a problem with it. 

 

For some reason in recent years, immigration debates have been conflated into ideas of class and intelligence. If you've been island hopping in Thailand for three months and are a citizen of the world you seem to think you've got carte blanche to look down on those that haven't. I think people just got fed up with that and part of that backlash came through with Brexit.  

A lot people genuinely don’t like immigrants and they think we’re taking their jobs, or abusing your welfare system, or both. Listen to LBC for example. I don’t think it’s a class issue either, a whole load of Brexit voters are were middle class and above. intelligence? Debatable. 

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5 minutes ago, aRdja said:

A lot people genuinely don’t like immigrants and they think we’re taking their jobs, or abusing your welfare system, or both. Listen to LBC for example. I don’t think it’s a class issue either, a whole load of Brexit voters are were middle class and above. intelligence? Debatable. 

 

Don’t forget our women. You’re taking them as well.

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41 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

 

Don’t forget our women. You’re taking them as well.

That’s right. I couldn’t help it.

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1 hour ago, Anny Road said:

Does it benefit them? Making fathers leave their families in order to find work must have a detrimental long term effect upon the society from where they originate. Short term yet I get it, Polish families have food on the table but long term what are the effects on the Polish economy.

Then all of a sudden as now there is a downturn in the German economy, go home lads. To what? An economy based on exporting labour. That is not sustainable.

I understand the obvious benefits for everyone but to me it seems like all is good when the sun shines but when the shit hits the fan it will be the migrants workers that take it up the arse.

 

Why not invest in Poland.

 

But they do invest in Poland. Poland is one of the new members that benefited the most from the EU. Slovakia took over a lot of manufacturing jobs from Germany and doubled the average salary in the last ten or so years, it's now pushing Slovenia and Czech Republic for the top of the wages table place for the new Europe.
 

It would be ludicrous to think that they don't invest in manufacturing in the less developed countries, where work is cheaper and workforce is skilled, or that the end of freedom of movement or the EU would prevent workers coming to Germany if they are needed, they have been coming since the early 60s from Italy, Turkey, Yugoslavia etc. They actually still are.

 

The problem is though that the stability and harmonization funds aimed at less developed areas have not worked as well as they did before, when there were fewer recipients and they didn't also have to go through the transition process (former socialist countries) which created its own, additional issues. Aldo, the financial crisis must have slowed everything down.

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52 minutes ago, aRdja said:

A lot people genuinely don’t like immigrants and they think we’re taking their jobs, or abusing your welfare system, or both. Listen to LBC for example. I don’t think it’s a class issue either, a whole load of Brexit voters are were middle class and above. intelligence? Debatable. 

LBC is full of bellends. I've worked in warehouses with migrant Labour and at a charity which worked with refugees. My Mrs teaches a lot of migrant and refugee children in a tough part of Liverpool and I could tell you stories that would warm your soul.

 

There's racism here and anti immigrant feeling was stoked (from the top, not the bottom, as it always is) but your run of the mill British person isn't that arsed about where you come from, as much as they are about the rate and extent of what they perceive as the changes around them. 

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The real Donald has spoken:-

 

European Council President Donald Tusk has said there is a "special place in hell" for "those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out safely"

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12 minutes ago, TK421 said:

The real Donald has spoken:-

 

European Council President Donald Tusk has said there is a "special place in hell" for "those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out safely"

Yeah saw that, he sounds a bit desperate there tbh, not sure why he would be like

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2 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Yeah saw that, he sounds a bit desperate there tbh, not sure why he would be like

Because he's been dealing with desperately stupid people.

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2 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Yeah saw that, he sounds a bit desperate there tbh, not sure why he would be like

I'm surprised it's taken this long for the EU to snap. They are only human afterall. It puts an end to Tory and Labour cakeism though. Both are about to own a disastrous crash out.

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9 minutes ago, Captain Howdy said:

Yeah saw that, he sounds a bit desperate there tbh, not sure why he would be like

He's in his ivory tower but no doubt has a long memory. 

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I was idly musing today that the EU is a bit like technology. I grew up watching Tomorrow's World, telling us how machines would take all the shit jobs, leaving us all prosperous and free to enjoy more leisure time. Of course, it didn't quite work out that way: those of us in work are working longer hours for worse money and those of us out of work are fucked. The problem isn't with the technology itself.  The problem is that cunts are still running the world.

 

It's the same story with the EU.  While it does bring a lot of benefits, it doesn’t fulfil all of its promises because there are cunts at the steering wheel. 

 

We don't need to leave the EU any more than we need to become anti-technology Luddites. What we need is a bit of democratic Socialism to sort out how power is distributed and used.

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34 minutes ago, deiseach said:

Liam Neeson is currently holding Donald Tusk's beer.

 

They should go on a chat-show tour together.

 

21 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I was idly musing today that the EU is a bit like technology. I grew up watching Tomorrow's World, telling us how machines would take all the shit jobs, leaving us all prosperous and free to enjoy more leisure time. Of course, it didn't quite work out that way: those of us in work are working longer hours for worse money and those of us out of work are fucked. The problem isn't with the technology itself.  The problem is that cunts are still running the world.

 

It's the same story with the EU.  While it does bring a lot of benefits, it doesn’t fulfil all of its promises because there are cunts at the steering wheel. 

 

We don't need to leave the EU any more than we need to become anti-technology Luddites. What we need is a bit of democratic Socialism to sort out how power is distributed and used.


And we will all live happyly ever after.

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4 hours ago, Section_31 said:

He's in his ivory tower but no doubt has a long memory. 

Fucking genius this, you bunch or Simple Simon-ass motherfuckers.

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17 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Fucking genius this, you bunch or Simple Simon-ass motherfuckers.


Surely you mean a herd of motherfackers, Mr. Merrick?

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9 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I got as far as the second paragraph. *

 

If the whole article is based on that falsehood  - the same error that all of your destructive wrongness is based on - then there's no point going over the same ground again. 

 

The EU is not essentially neoliberal or pro-austerity. For half of its history it's been a broadly Social Democratic institution.  It's economic and political direction is set by Member States.  For the last 3 decades or so, the trend among Western national governments  - including those of the Member States  - has been towards neoliberalism (and its corollary, austerity). The EU, in that time, has followed this.

 

For Socialists, a much better outcome would have been a narrow Remain victory - which would have kept the Tories divided - followed by a Corbyn General Election victory, allowing a left-wing Labour Party to galvanise and inspire European Socialists in a post-Merkel, post-Macron EU. 

 

That's obviously now impossible, but, still... Cameron is wallowing on a massive pile of cash away from the political limelight, so it's probably all worth it.

 

 

 

 

*Edit - I've read it now. I was right to judge it by the second paragraph.  The author appears to think that EU history started in 2010. Also, since this article was written, the Portuguese government has reversed austerity  - with tacit support from the EU. 

Enjoy the  money kid

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