Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Boss]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yes. I answered in the first word. I’ll say it again... yes. There’s no harm in checking whether people still want to stay/leave. 

 

That said, the two things aren’t comparable. In staying we knew what would happen. Things would stay the same. With leaving, we didn’t vote for what type of leave we wanted, or what was possible. We do now. We also know that it will cost us billions. Not because it’s my views, it’s official. If no deal seems to be the only option, as it seems to be at the moment, there’s even more reason to make sure the British public want to do it. Knowing now what we didn’t then, the massive cost, and having had two years to digest it, it’s not an affront to democracy to check. If they still want to go, we go.

 

you still haven’t given a coherent answer to why more democracy is less democratic. I think the truth is, you don’t want people to have a second say because you want to leave. 

There is harm. You don't understand what calling the whole thing on again will do to the country. If Remain wins there will be chaos because the first vote wasn't enacted. If Leave wins, what happens next? do we have a third referendum, and if you lose that one, a fourth?

 

The result must be respected. Calling the whole thing on and creating those divisions again is madness and the result will never be clear one way or the other because the country is split down the middle. 

[Pureblood]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

It was made clear on the pamphlets delivered through the post. Leaving meant leaving the EU, single market, the Customs Union and the European Court of Justice.

Is this the pamphlet that you're referring to?

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/525022/20160523_Leaflet_EASY_READ_FINAL_VERSION.pdf

 

It doesn't contain the phrases "Customs Union" or ECJ at all.  

[Boss]

2 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Is this the pamphlet that you're referring to?

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/525022/20160523_Leaflet_EASY_READ_FINAL_VERSION.pdf

 

It doesn't contain the phrases "Customs Union" or ECJ at all.  

That's a Remain leaflet.

[Numero Veinticinco]

8 minutes ago, Boss said:

There is harm. You don't understand what calling the whole thing on again will do to the country. If Remain wins there will be chaos because the first vote wasn't enacted. If Leave wins, what happens next? do we have a third referendum, and if you lose that one, a fourth?

 

The result must be respected. Calling the whole thing on and creating those divisions again is madness and the result will never be clear one way or the other because the country is split down the middle. 

What has lead you to think I don’t understand? I understand the it’s divisive and I understand there will be a lot of discontent. But I support democracy. You clearly supported democracy in a one off vote with no way to change your mind. 

 

Again, you avoided my question but I think I’m pretty much done. I made my point. Anyway, you’ve hanged your argument from it being anti-democratic to have more democracy, which was plain idiotic, to a most valid argument if you think it’ll be too divisive. Fine. I disagee. I think democracy is more important. 

[Pureblood]

6 minutes ago, Boss said:

That's a Remain leaflet.

Do you have a copy of the leaflet you're referring to?

[Boss]

1 minute ago, TK421 said:

Do you have a copy of the leaflet you're referring to?

Not on me, no.

[Pureblood]

Just now, Boss said:

Not on me, no.

That's because it doesn't exist.

[Pureblood]

That's the beauty of Google.  You can look stuff up to see if people are spouting crap.  Or not, as the case may be. 

[Boss]

Just now, TK421 said:

That's because it doesn't exist.

That isn't the leaflet I read if that helps.

[Pureblood]

Just now, Boss said:

That isn't the leaflet I read if that helps.

I know, because you made it up. 

[Boss]

Just now, TK421 said:

I know, because you made it up. 

You're a dickhead, i'm not engaging in your buffoonery. 

[Pureblood]

Just now, Boss said:

You're a dickhead, i'm not engaging in your buffoonery. 

Haha.

 

You're an outright liar.  Kind of calls into question the credibility of everything else you've written, does it not?

[Boss]

Just now, TK421 said:

Haha.

 

You're an outright liar.  Kind of calls into question the credibility of everything else you've written, does it not?

I'm not lying you absolute fool. 

[Pureblood]

Just now, Boss said:

I'm not lying you absolute fool. 

Prove it.  Should be easy to find, if it exists (it doesn't). 

[Anny Road]

It was regularly spoken about in terms of imminent worldwide independent free trade deals. You cant do them if you remain in the customs union and free market. it is against EU Law.

[Pureblood]

Just show me the pamphlet.  

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

6 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Just show me the pamphlet.  

You can’t handle the pamphlet!

[Sugar Ape]

I’d also like to see this leaflet, presumably from the official leave campaign or I don’t see why it would be relevant, that explicitly stated we would leave the customs union and ECJ. It’s escaped my attention if it exists.

 

None of this it was implied bullshit - saying we want to negotiate new trade deals doesn’t mean the electorate know that means leaving the customs union. The majority of people probably didn’t even know what a customs union was. 

 

Almost to a man, all the big ‘vote leave’ heavy hitters said it would be ridiculous to take us out of the single market/CU, or advocated Norway/Switzerland which would mean remaining in the single market. 

 

 

[Pureblood]

4 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

You can’t handle the pamphlet!

EU can't handle the truth. 

[SilverSong]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

Evidently, you don't believe that Remain would "cost us so much and gain so little", so you're imparting your views of Leave, on Remain - as a Remain voter. I asked you if Remain won - with you being a Remain voter - would you be happy to run the whole thing again, dividing the whole country once more to give Leave a second chance?

If Remain won then nothing had to happen. The question of leaving would undoubtedly have been raised again at some point.

[Boss]

I can't remember if it implicitly said Leave means leaving the Customs Union and the ECJ, but it did imply it. Ie we can make our own laws (leave ECJ) and conclude deals with countries outside the EU (ie leave the customs union). I know the Leave campaign spoke repeatedly about those things during the referendum though.

[Sugar Ape]

 

[Pureblood]

This is the best that I can find.  It's eerily silent on leaving the single market, Customs Union and jurisdiction of the ECJ.  Eerily, eerily silent.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36014941

 

 

[cloggypop]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

The ones that didn't vote chose to have no say. The ones that did - the majority voted to Leave. 

I didn't choose to have no say. 

[Sugar Ape]

2 minutes ago, Boss said:

I can't remember if it implicitly said Leave means leaving the Customs Union and the ECJ, but it did imply it. Ie we can make our own laws (leave ECJ) and conclude deals with countries outside the EU (ie leave the customs union). I know the Leave campaign spoke repeatedly about those things during the referendum though.

 

Yes, that’s because they were talking utter bullshit and making out we could have our cake and eat it. Which is why they were saying we would still be in the single market but also able to conclude fantastic trade deals with the rest of the world. The truth is that we will never get trade deals on our own as good as we currently have under the EU. 

 

Just more examples of prominent leave voices living in a fantasy land.

 

Number of trade deals ready to go? Zero.