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Should the UK remain a member of the EU


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  1. 1. Should the UK remain a member of the EU

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4 minutes ago, moof said:

Hoping for some abstentions from Tory “rebels”. Unlikely, I know. 

Aren't the pricks all voting twice, once now and then again in a couple of weeks? Perfect opportunity to abstain now I would have thought. Then again, they might be worried about their peerages.

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There seems to be two scenarios that would result in the DUP or Tory MPS supporting a no confidence vote brought by Labour. The first if Mays deal goes through parliament DUP would vote against. The second and several Tory mps are on record to say they would resign the party whip if No Deal was pursued. So why would any political party lock themselves into voting down a vicious Tory government when they know events can change quite quickly. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-mp-nick-boles-vows-13751088.amp

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1 hour ago, Captain Turdseye said:

This ‘debate on motion of no confidence in the government’ is just a load of Tories standing up ranting about the left. 

Deflection.  You'd hope it would be pretty clear to the electorate, but then judging by the dribbling idiots crying "conspiracy" about May today, it seems common sense has left the country to start a new life in Canada.

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1 minute ago, Pidge said:

There can't be a three outcome referendum like that, splitting the vote would essentially be gerrymandering.  There would need to be multiple questions on the ballot to extract those intentions.

2nd preferences could work but it will massive problem getting the text agreed by Parliament when there is no obvious binary question now people realise Leave means 50 shades of grey. 

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What does a GE achieve? The deal being offered by the EU won't change in any fundamental way, a few aesthetically pleasing amendments here and there but that's it. The border with the EU won't have gone away and either will there red lines. 

 

If Labour win the deal they agree will lose in parliament because it won't get universal support within it's own party never mind across the board. All it achieves is more time used up and still no further down the line.

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4 minutes ago, No2 said:

What does a GE achieve? The deal being offered by the EU won't change in any fundamental way, a few aesthetically pleasing amendments here and there but that's it. The border with the EU won't have gone away and either will there red lines. 

 

If Labour win the deal they agree will lose in parliament because it won't get universal support within it's own party never mind across the board. All it achieves is more time used up and still no further down the line.

It gets rid of the Tory bastards? I mean, that’s a pretty decent incentive. 

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2 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

There is another option a plan b with changing of the red lines. 

That would mean fucking off the right wing of her party and sidelining Johnson, Mogg and the rest of the headbangers. Tory meltdown follows.

May is totally boxed in and Parliament needs to control the agenda 

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1 minute ago, moof said:

It gets rid of the Tory bastards? I mean, that’s a pretty decent incentive. 

Yeah and 2 months later Labour sign the document that destroys the country, the Tories stroll back in at the next opportunity and have this stick to beat them with for ever and a day.

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6 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Any chance of specifics on how you would change the red lines?

I'm against another referendum but if you have to have one let's have one on FoM. This shows the public you are still respecting the referendum result but consulting them further. Although I'm not opposed to the politicians working together to find a compromise as that is sovereignty.

 

Labour are already pro a Customs Union. In my view every avenue has to be exhausted fully before another in/out referendum is considered.

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A reminder at present there isn't a majority in parliament for another referendum that could be agreed on.

 

There isn't a majority at present for an election but could change.

 

There isn't a majority for May's deal.

 

There isn't a majority for No Deal.

 

There isn't a majority to revoke article 50. 

 

Some have suggested there is a majority for a plan b. But party politics mainly from the Conservatives have stopped much discussion of this so far. 

 

It seems only a plan b stops the default No Deal. Maybe with an extension required first.

 

 

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