Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Jairzinho]

1 hour ago, Jose Jones said:

Exactly.

And as seen with Stronts’ strawberry example, the supermarkets will bring in food from anywhere and everywhere..

 

British farmers weren’t being screwed over by European imports in the main, it is capitalist attitudes by the supermarkets and laissez fairer attitudes by consumers.

 

These things won’t change in voting in the Tory Brexit, in fact they are liable to get worse, because the gov will be signing shit trade deals everywhere they can get them.

 

Not sure consumers are so much to blame. Lots of people have very little choice. 

 

This is the real stranglehold the likes of Tesco have. You buy their chickens for 73p or you don't eat chicken. Farmers, need to sell your chickens? Well, you have to accept 4p a chicken. Want a job? Well, we've gutted the whole town and your choice is 6 quid an hour on a checkout at Tesco or no job.

 

This isn't quite what Adam Smith envisaged. 

 

The solution is stop voting Tory.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

Sadly, no, red hats don't suit me.

 

 

Talking of red hats...

 

Jairz, it's January.  Lose the Christmassy 'tar.

[Jose Jones]

44 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Not sure consumers are so much to blame. Lots of people have very little choice. 

 

This is the real stranglehold the likes of Tesco have. You buy their chickens for 73p or you don't eat chicken. Farmers, need to sell your chickens? Well, you have to accept 4p a chicken. Want a job? Well, we've gutted the whole town and your choice is 6 quid an hour on a checkout at Tesco or no job.

 

This isn't quite what Adam Smith envisaged. 

 

The solution is stop voting Tory.

Maybe the system is mostly to blame, but certainly there has also been British consumer cultural attitudes as well.

 

Not enough people cared enough for long enough to support local producers and shops.

 

The prevailing attitude is to order stuff off the internet from a supermarket so it takes as little time as possible and they never have to interact with any other human beings.

[magicrat]

May making her last stand in Stoke today and I have heard will apparently call some MPs , that are thwarting Brexit "traitors" . If true it beggars belief after the incident with Soubry she would use such incendiary language. The useless parroting bint must be desperate if she's looking for the webbed footed retards of Stoke to dig her out of the steaming pile of shite she has created.   

[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, magicrat said:

May making her last stand in Stoke today and I have heard will apparently call some MPs , that are thwarting Brexit "traitors" . If true it beggars belief after the incident with Soubry she would use such incendiary language. The useless parroting bint must be desperate if she's looking for the webbed footed retards of Stoke to dig her out of the steaming pile of shite she has created.   

Not just Soubry but poor Jo Cox. It’s some serious shit to use language like that now. 

[Karl_b]

11 hours ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

Hmm, not too keen, I was hoping for a revolutionary army that used accents of pastel blue.

With boss hats?

[Rico1304]

May saying no Brexit is more likely than no deal.  

[Captain Turdseye]

7 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

Not sure consumers are so much to blame. Lots of people have very little choice. 

 

This is the real stranglehold the likes of Tesco have. You buy their chickens for 73p or you don't eat chicken. Farmers, need to sell your chickens? Well, you have to accept 4p a chicken. Want a job? Well, we've gutted the whole town and your choice is 6 quid an hour on a checkout at Tesco or no job.

 

This isn't quite what Adam Smith envisaged. 

 

The solution is stop voting Tory.

 

I’m a Corbyn supporter and whilst I believe he can change a lot of things in this country for the better, saving the high street isn’t one of them. Brexit or no Brexit. The overwhelming majority of people are going to go where stuff is cheaper and the main supermarkets have got that locked down. I don’t see how that can change. 

 

 

6 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

Maybe the system is mostly to blame, but certainly there has also been British consumer cultural attitudes as well.

 

Not enough people cared enough for long enough to support local producers and shops.

 

The prevailing attitude is to order stuff off the internet from a supermarket so it takes as little time as possible and they never have to interact with any other human beings.

 

Sad but true. My shopping is arriving between 11 and 12 this morning. 

[Jairzinho]

1 minute ago, Captain Turdseye said:

 

I’m a Corbyn supporter and whilst I believe he can change a lot of things in this country for the better, saving the high street isn’t one of them. Brexit or no Brexit. The overwhelming majority of people are going to go where stuff is cheaper and the main supermarkets have got that locked down. I don’t see how that can change. 

 

 

Making huge supermarkets pay the tax they owe. Stopping them from having carte blanche re planning permission (often through bribes). Having some level of protectionism for stuff we grow/harvest/etc. Improving public transport. Etc, etc. There are lots of things that could be done.

 

Of course people are going to go where stuff is cheaper. I said as much. No-one bar rich hippies shops at local markets because a small block of cheese cost £37.

 

The idea is to bridge that gap.

[Captain Turdseye]

1 minute ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Making huge supermarkets pay the tax they owe. Stopping them from having carte blanche re planning permission (often through bribes). Having some level of protectionism for stuff we grow/harvest/etc. Improving public transport. Etc, etc. There are lots of things that could be done.

 

Of course people are going to go where stuff is cheaper. I said as much. No-one bar rich hippies shops at local markets because a small block of cheese cost £37.

 

The idea is to bridge that gap.

 

The idea is right, I just can’t see all of those things ever coming together to the kind of level whereby they break the monopoly the supermarkets have. 

[Jairzinho]

2 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

 

The idea is right, I just can’t see all of those things ever coming together to the kind of level whereby they break the monopoly the supermarkets have. 

Have to try.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Karl_b said:

With boss hats?

As long as they don't have skulls on them.

[magicrat]

4 hours ago, rico1304 said:

May saying no Brexit is more likely than no deal.  

I'm surprised she's not hanging round the ERG campaign room offering free BJ's to anyone that will support her deal. Could she be more desperate

[Davelfc]

4 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Making huge supermarkets pay the tax they owe. Stopping them from having carte blanche re planning permission (often through bribes). Having some level of protectionism for stuff we grow/harvest/etc. Improving public transport. Etc, etc. There are lots of things that could be done.

 

Of course people are going to go where stuff is cheaper. I said as much. No-one bar rich hippies shops at local markets because a small block of cheese cost £37.

 

The idea is to bridge that gap.

Making big companies pay more tax or even what they should is just passed down to the consumer. The whole system is set up so you’re damned either way, while they rake in the cash. They used to keep the masses numbed by getting them to blame each other for their political choices when voting. It’s been apparent for a while now that all politicians are cunts and you get screwed no matter how you vote. Besides why would they chase after companies and make them pay more money when for a tiny fraction those MPs can get seats on the board and a nice pay out. 

[SasaS]

4 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Making huge supermarkets pay the tax they owe. Stopping them from having carte blanche re planning permission (often through bribes). Having some level of protectionism for stuff we grow/harvest/etc. Improving public transport. Etc, etc. There are lots of things that could be done.

 

Of course people are going to go where stuff is cheaper. I said as much. No-one bar rich hippies shops at local markets because a small block of cheese cost £37.

 

The idea is to bridge that gap.

Wouldn't this mean rich hippies would be paying less for their food and the rest of the public more for their supermarket produce?  

[General Dryness]

2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

As long as they don't have skulls on them.

They might be the skulls of our enemies.

[Barrington Womble]

2 hours ago, Kieve Kev said:

Making big companies pay more tax or even what they should is just passed down to the consumer. The whole system is set up so you’re damned either way, while they rake in the cash. They used to keep the masses numbed by getting them to blame each other for their political choices when voting. It’s been apparent for a while now that all politicians are cunts and you get screwed no matter how you vote. Besides why would they chase after companies and make them pay more money when for a tiny fraction those MPs can get seats on the board and a nice pay out. 

Which might be a point if we were only talking about feeding ourselves. But people buy all kinds from the likes of amazon because its cheap. Something breaks, don't fix it, it's cheaper to replace it from amazon. If amazon paid their share of tax, that mightn't be the case and maybe we'd have less shit in landfill. 

[Boss]

 

[skend04]

McCluskey now suggesting, along with some Brexiteers that if there's another referendum it should be between No Deal and a non-existent/unacceptable deal. The country is stuck between Disaster Capitalists and Disaster Socialists and the only thing in common is disaster. Has it really taken this brinkmanship to discover how third rate our politicians are? That there are people willing to put the country back decades just to try and impose their own ideologies? What a laughing stock.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

No Deal should have been taken off the table from Day One. It's fucking insane that anyone is even still talking about it. There is no mandate for it and it would literally kill people. 

[Davelfc]

1 hour ago, Barry Wom said:

Which might be a point if we were only talking about feeding ourselves. But people buy all kinds from the likes of amazon because its cheap. Something breaks, don't fix it, it's cheaper to replace it from amazon. If amazon paid their share of tax, that mightn't be the case and maybe we'd have less shit in landfill. 

Not sure how you’ve conflated Amazon’s tax with the disposeable society we live in. I do agree that we should be getting fair tax of these companies but in the end they’ll pass the cost on to us anyway. 

I wouldn’t hold your breath on getting that tax off them though, for reasons I outlined before.

 

Our disposeable society is a totally different issue IMO and one we aren’t really going to fix. Go to most brick and mortar shops and you’ll see the same shit cluttering their shelves. The difference with Amazon is that they had an add on scheme that means you can’t just buy some tat for £5, the whole order has to be above £20. Tat isn’t specific to non tax paying companies. Apple don’t pay enough tax and they sell nothing cheaply.

 

As women spend on average 90% of household income maybe persuading them to cut back on tat might be a first move. Men I am sure are as guilty for buying tat as women, im not trying to call anyone out, just looking for a way to be more effective.

[moof]

The fuck is a disaster socialist? 

[Boss]

 

"Oh Hi Jeremy!!!" 

[skend04]

11 minutes ago, moof said:

The fuck is a disaster socialist? 

My emphasis is more on the disaster but but we have on one side Tory no dealers who are looking for a collapse to impose their capitalist ideologies and then on the other side we have the McCluskeys of the world keeping No Deal on the table to impose their socialist ideology. No Deal, like mentioned by AoT will lead to deaths and extreme hardship no matter how you plan to shape the future. 

 

I personally don't mind calling them all cunts if that's easier.

 

[Boss]

John Mann has said he'll break rank and vote for Theresa May's deal. This is the same John Mann who employs his wife as a part time Office Manager, and pays her salary out of his own Parliamentary Expenses - even though she works full time as Deputy Leader of Bassetlaw District Council.