Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[mattyq]

Voting for Brexit is basically the country opening Pandora's Box.

It's let the scum come out to play... they feel entitled now

Dangerous times

[magicrat]

3 hours ago, Special K said:

The shit Anna Soubry and Owen Jones got outside parliament today was shocking

Mate of mine was there peacefully protesting for a peoples vote and said it was sickening.

These are shouty thick racist morons that can't hold a conversation as to why they think Brexit is a good idea and try to bully and intimidate anyone calling them out. Women getting pushed and spat on (one old woman shoved to the ground and hurt) and desperately trying to provoke Remainers to violence. Police detain some but then release them with a caution. Even more sickening is the lack of mainstream media reporting one what is going on. They are utter scum and we have a government talking about honouring Brexit trying to appease them and an opposition failing to hold them to account 

[Boss]

 

2.30 onwards. Stronts catches up with Owen jones.

[razor]

The lad has learning needs, doesn't he?  When his mates said, "Owen Jones made the complaint!" he agrees: "Yes, it was Aled Jones."

 

I don't follow this stuff online as it's just so disheartening.  Is the boy a new celebrity or something?

 

There is so much hatred in British politics, even more than the 80s when there was civil unrest.  It is fueled by online fanaticism, and the overuse of "extremist" or "far left/right" in responsive rhetoric.

 

It is very ugly.

[Barrington Womble]

13 hours ago, Tyler Durden said:

I can't believe Grayling isn't going to jail over that ferry contract.

they'll talk their way out of this too. That contract must be for a mate of someone around the tories. Which is probably why they want to award contracts when they know there's no chance of no deal. 

[skend04]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/08/the-way-the-eu-treated-the-uk-opened-my-eyes-bolsovers-brexit

 

Genuinely depressing. When your teachers are part of Grassroots Out what chance have the kids got? The complaints about the EU and Poles are nothing but trumped up xenophobia, especially when you see that the non-uk born population is only 2.9%. Best bit though is how the population are moving away from Labour towards the Tories. The very same Tories that decimated their community. 

 

And yet, people complain that leave voters are misrepresented as being thick and racist.

[magicrat]

2 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

they'll talk their way out of this too. That contract must be for a mate of someone around the tories. Which is probably why they want to award contracts when they know there's no chance of no deal. 

The company shares a registered address with a law firm owned by some fella called Bamford who just coincidentally happens to be one of the largest donors to the Tory party. They don’t even bother to try and hide the corruption these days 

[The Guest]

3 minutes ago, skend04 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/08/the-way-the-eu-treated-the-uk-opened-my-eyes-bolsovers-brexit

 

Genuinely depressing. When your teachers are part of Grassroots Out what chance have the kids got? The complaints about the EU and Poles are nothing but trumped up xenophobia, especially when you see that the non-uk born population is only 2.9%. Best bit though is how the population are moving away from Labour towards the Tories. The very same Tories that decimated their community. 

 

And yet, people complain that leave voters are misrepresented as being thick and racist.

People don’t understand politics.  They see Labour and the Tories as generally the same because when in power they’ve economically done the same thing.  The only differences they see are on immigration.  The tories are seen as anti-immigration and Labour as pro despite this not being a left or right issue.

 

Whether you want to laugh or belittle people’s fears on immigration doesn’t really matter.  They exist and should be addressed.  When they aren’t the only option they see is to vote Tory or UKIP.  It’s not that unreasonable either.  If they’re only option are to vote for a right wing Lib Dem, Labour or Tory party why would you vote for a pro immigration one if you want to decrease immigration.

[Boss]

No deal is actually a better deal than May's deal. At least with a No deal Brexit we can forge tariff free trade deals with countries outside the EU. We have clarity over the fact we've left, so there isn't this 20__ stuff written into the agreement that causes us to be a vessel state impertuity. All member states have to agree for us to leave, and a blind man can see that's not going to happen.

 

The inevitable stock market crash (caused by speculation) will take place and then we set up a plan in earnest to bounce back as quickly as possible. Otherwise there's just constant uncertainty for years. We don't have Sovereignty because of the Backstop. We don't have strong borders because of the Backstop. Illegal immigration will increase in numbers, again, because of the Backstop. We're still bound to most of the EU's laws and directives, which defeats the whole point of leaving, and we have no means to vote on these laws because we've vetoed our right to do so.

 

If Labour veto the possibility of a No Deal Brexit they are basically consigning the country to a far worse fate long term. They are taking off the table the only negotiating tactic we have to acquire an improved deal from the EU. 

[skend04]

45 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

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[Jairzinho]

12 hours ago, Boss said:

 

2.30 onwards. Stronts catches up with Owen jones.

Well, they seem like a top bunch of lads.

[skend04]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

No deal is actually a better deal than May's deal. At least with a No deal Brexit we can forge tariff free trade deals with countries outside the EU. We have clarity over the fact we've left, so there isn't this 20__ stuff written into the agreement that causes us to be a vessel state impertuity. All member states have to agree for us to leave, and a blind man can see that's not going to happen.

 

The inevitable stock market crash (caused by speculation) will take place and then we set up a plan in earnest to bounce back as quickly as possible. Otherwise there's just constant uncertainty for years. We don't have Sovereignty because of the Backstop. We don't have strong borders because of the Backstop. Illegal immigration will increase in numbers, again, because of the Backstop. We're still bound to most of the EU's laws and directives, which defeats the whole point of leaving, and we have no means to vote on these laws because we've vetoed our right to do so.

 

If Labour veto the possibility of a No Deal Brexit they are basically consigning the country to a far worse fate long term. They are taking off the table the only negotiating tactic we have to acquire an improved deal from the EU. 

It might well be but when parliament is signing off contracts with non-existent ferry firms who have T&C's from a pizza delivery place then you're being a tad bit optimistic as to what the country will achieve unchained.

 

Let's not forget that we've yet to negotiate the easiest trade deal in history as yet.

 

[Boss]

1 minute ago, skend04 said:

It might well be but when parliament is signing off contracts with non-existent ferry firms who have T&C's from a pizza delivery place then you're being a tad bit optimistic as to what the country will achieve unchained.

 

The corruption has to be weeded out, there is no question about it, but that's always been the case in politics. Politicians act on the whims of special interest groups, lobbyists and wealthy backers. There has to be more transparency, but what we need more than anything are journalists with some integrity. Journalists that will expose the blatant corruption within the system.

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

Well, they seem like a top bunch of lads.

They admitted in the video that they're just trying to troll people. Saaaaaaaad.

[Strontium]

2 hours ago, Boss said:

If Labour veto the possibility of a No Deal Brexit they are basically consigning the country to a far worse fate long term. They are taking off the table the only negotiating tactic we have to acquire an improved deal from the EU. 

 

As negotiating tactics go, it's a bit like holding a gun to your own head, walking into a bank and threatening to pull the trigger if they don't give you a million pounds.

[Anny Road]

They are a gang of mentally ill fuckwits. They all are down there.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Boss said:

 

If Labour veto the possibility of a No Deal Brexit they are basically consigning the country to a far worse fate long term. They are taking off the table the only negotiating tactic we have to acquire an improved deal from the EU. 

That's not true.

 

The threat of No Deal is the only chance May has of getting her deal through Parliament.  Remove that and her deal falls - probably followed by her Government. 

 

The EU have ruled out repeating the same set of negotiations with the Tory Government, but they are open to new negotiations with a Labour Government. 

[Boss]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

That's not true.

 

The threat of No Deal is the only chance May has of getting her deal through Parliament.  Remove that and her deal falls - probably followed by her Government. 

 

The EU have ruled out repeating the same set of negotiations with the Tory Government, but they are open to new negotiations with a Labour Government. 

 

May's deal will fail whether no deal is on the table or not - hence why it was going to be voted down a few weeks ago.  The Labour government don't have any credentials to negotiate a deal on the country's behalf. They are not in power and the Tory party will not allow another General Election, so they don't have a leg to stand on in that regard.  

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

That's not true.

 

The threat of No Deal is the only chance May has of getting her deal through Parliament.  Remove that and her deal falls - probably followed by her Government. 

 

The EU have ruled out repeating the same set of negotiations with the Tory Government, but they are open to new negotiations with a Labour Government. 

Have they? Where have they said that? 

[moof]

There is zero chance of no deal, it’s a Tory propaganda excercise. 

[SasaS]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

That's not true.

 

The threat of No Deal is the only chance May has of getting her deal through Parliament.  Remove that and her deal falls - probably followed by her Government. 

 

The EU have ruled out repeating the same set of negotiations with the Tory Government, but they are open to new negotiations with a Labour Government. 

 

Really? Who said that?

[Strontium]

Labour has claimed the EU would renegotiate, the EU has said there will be no renegotiation, and members of Labour themselves have described the renegotiation idea as a fantasy.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Well, colour me surprised...

 

James Goddard: Who Is The Angry Brexiteer Who Shouts At Politicians Outside Westminster?

 

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/james-goddard-westminster_uk_5c347e43e4b05d4e96bc1892?1od&ec_carp=2776461780354713895

[Strontium]

Yep, time to stop pandering to these far-right nutters and go all-out to cancel Brexit.

[Boss]

Free speech gives them the right to say what they want as long as they do not physically attack anyone. Arresting them for airing their views, however unsavoury, would mean we live in a Police State. This is a dangerous Orwellian precedent. 

 

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“While everyone should be allowed to protest peacefully, it is time for the authorities to clamp down on the bullying and threatening tactics used by these extremists before someone is seriously injured.”