Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Anny Road]

Would you employ her as a sales rep?

That is basically what she is doing just now. I have to confess she is at it hard. Fair play. The product is apparently shit though, she designed it. That is the problem

One the face of it she is fucking useless, walks like a mong and can only speak from 5 or 6 sentences she has been fed.

[Karl_b]

23 hours ago, Captain Howdy said:

If even half of what Carney is predicting comes to pass, ( if no deal) given how the general populace  has spent over the last generation then hardship such as this country has not witnessed since medieval times is a genuine possibility, I don’t know if he’s scaremongering but interest rates of over 5% with houses losing up to 30% of their value together with a tanked pound and soaring interest rates....heavy salad

Is this in a 'no deal' scenario?

 

As someone who's mortgage ends in May and is looking to borrow additional money to renovate the house, I'm worried what affect this is going to have. We live comfortably within our means, we won't end up with a significantly larger mortgage and even accounting for a 1-2% increase, we'd be more than ok. This shit is all so chaotic and unpredictable that I have no idea what to do, a 5% increase would be unaffordable. A large part of me wants to just sit tight for a while longer and hope this mess all goes away, we have a GE and we maintain the status quo.

 

Fucking Brexit idiots. 

[Captain Howdy]

6 minutes ago, Karl_b said:

Is this in a 'no deal' scenario?

 

As someone who's mortgage ends in May and is looking to borrow additional money to renovate the house, I'm worried what affect this is going to have. We live comfortably within our means, we won't end up with a significantly larger mortgage and even accounting for a 1-2% increase, we'd be more than ok. This shit is all so chaotic and unpredictable that I have no idea what to do, a 5% increase would be unaffordable. A large part of me wants to just sit tight for a while longer and hope this mess all goes away, we have a GE and we maintain the status quo.

 

Fucking Brexit idiots. 

Yeah mate, apparently what’s become  known as a “ chaotic no deal” whether that’s any different from just a common or garden no deal I have no idea.

[mattyq]

It's looking like we're going to get a  2nd ref... there doesn't appear to be anything else to get us through this shitstorm

Then we still have to win it

[magicrat]

Long run impact of the various Brexit scenarios.

Don't underestimate the capacity of the HoC to opt for the worst one.

 

[Section_31]

1 minute ago, magicrat said:

Long run impact of the various Brexit scenarios.

Don't underestimate the capacity of the HoC to opt for the worst one.

 

That actually looks like the inside of a dick. Coincidence? I think not!

[magicrat]

8 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

That actually looks like the inside of a dick. Coincidence? I think not!

Agreed . Probably Mogg's 

[Strontium]

As you can see, there's a vas deferens between all the options.

[Section_31]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog said:

As you can see, there's a vas deferens between all the options.

Excellent.

 

I'm backing a people's scrote.

[magicrat]

27 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Excellent.

 

I'm backing a people's scrote.

Me too. Wave your glans in the air

[Section_31]

4 minutes ago, magicrat said:

Me too. Wave your glans in the air

All us remainers are asking for is a little R.E.S.P.E.C.T. Just like Urethra Franklin.

[magicrat]

Government have released a new Brexit impact chart.

 

[Creator Supreme]

Excellent work all!

 

 

 

Scrotally brilliant

[Section_31]

38 minutes ago, magicrat said:

Government have released a new Brexit impact chart.

 

At least six of those are the names of Rees Mogg's kids.

[magicrat]

31 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

At least six of those are the names of Rees Mogg's kids.

Amazes me he has managed to get his sausage in the money-box 6 times in his life. 

[jacco maccaco]

2 hours ago, magicrat said:

Amazes me he has managed to get his sausage in the money-box 6 times in his life. 

Nanny probably helped him

 

*Shudders*

[deiseach]

The extent to which Theresa May believes that being in power (as opposed to exercising it or making a difference with it) is the alpha and the omega of politics is quite extraordinary. 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

It's the Macchiavellian outlook: the only purpose of politics, and the only measure of success, is to gain power and hold it as long as possible, by whatever means necessary. 

 

It's why there are still people who claim that Tony Blair was a successful Labour leader.

 

 

[Denny Crane]

Whilst the politicians are coming out against Mays deal the public are getting behind it bit by bit according to Survation. An irony that it might not get through parliament but would fair better on a referendum. Not sure this is what advocates of the people's vote had in mind. Also support for no deal from the public is going up. 

 

 

 

 

However, before one concludes that the public are now leaning in favour of the deal, it’s also worth looking at the other questions in the poll. The poll also repeated questions asking how people would vote in some hypothetical referendums. These suggests that people continue to prefer remaining in the EU to the deal (Remain 46%(+3), Leave with the deal 37%(+3)) and that in a choice between the deal or leaving without one, they’d go for no deal (No deal 41%(+7), deal 35%(+3)).

 

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/10040

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

It's the Macchiavellian outlook: the only purpose of politics, and the only measure of success, is to gain power and hold it as long as possible, by whatever means necessary. 

 

It's why there are still people who claim that Tony Blair was a successful Labour leader.

 

 

I opposed him heart and soul for most of his time in office, but surely there can be no mistaking that he was a successful leader by many different measures. 

[Denny Crane]

The polling from Deltapoll where they use the same preference that they use in the Mayor race has some interesting results.

 

No deal beating remain 52-48 and the May deal beating remain 56-44 and the May deal beating no deal 58-42. 

 

 

 

The preference orderings show that most No Deal supporters prefer the May Agreement to remaining in the EU, by 23% to 5%. In a first-past-the-post referendum, faced with polls such as this one, some No Deal supporters might decide to strategically desert their first-preference option in the hope of helping their second-preference beat their least favoured option. That would narrow the contest between the Deal and Remain. But also on these figures, and given the margins of error polls typically experience, No Deal supporters might not want to take the risk of tactical voting. After all, that option is not trailing very far behind the other two and might eventually emerge ahead.

A transferable vote system, such as the one used to elect city mayors, saves voters the bother of worrying about whether to vote tactically by automatically redistributing the votes of those who supported the option that came third on first preferences. If such a system were used, for these data, assuming everyone voted, then May’s Deal would beat Remain by 56:44 after the second preferences of the No Deal supporters were reallocated. Even though Remain starts ahead 39:33 on first preferences, there are enough No Deal supporters who prefer May’s Deal to Remain to overturn the initial Remain lead.

Even though No Deal is the least popular option on first preferences, it would beat Remain 52:48 in a two-way competition according to the preference orderings above. This is because Deal supporters prefer No Deal to Remain by a large margin

 

 

http://www.deltapoll.co.uk/steve-fisher-condorcet

 

[Denny Crane]

ConservativeHome

 

@ConHome

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Here we go again – the Government is spending taxpayers’ money promoting its EU deal online

 

Readers will recall the £9 million of taxpayers’ money which the Cameron government spent promoting the Remain position in the run-up to the EU referendum, over and above the amount spent by the actual Remain campaign itself. It left a somewhat sour taste in the mouth, and is yet to be forgiven by many Leavers.

 

Well, they seem to be at it again. Yesterday I noticed that the Cabinet Office is funding Google adverts to appear beneath searches on terms like “brexit deal”:

The promoted link is to a website which offers various videos and, er, inspirational quotes to show how keen big businesses are on the Prime Minister’s offering; “…elements of this deal do go towards a lot of the aspects that we sought”, enthuses the head of BAE Systems. Stirring stuff.

Interestingly, the cookies the site offers hint at a wider advertising push – they include functions to facilitate and track the success of advertising on Facebook and Twitter. The @10DowningStreet account is certainly paying to promote its video ‘explaining’ the deal:

 

The potential for this to annoy various voters ought to be quite clear – particularly those concerned about the deal, or simply opposed to their taxes being wasted.

Exactly how much taxpayers’ money is being spent on the advertising campaign ahead of Parliament’s vote? Given the issue is to be decided by MPs, isn’t this effectively taxpayer-funded lobbying of the type supposedly driven out of Whitehall under the Coalition? How extensive is the advertising, and are there other costly promotional activities also underway that aren’t publicly visible?

There is also a political risk. If, God forbid, the Prime Minister’s mistaken plan for Brexit ends up producing a general election or a second referendum, with either featuring her deal as one of the options, this advertising could swiftly come to be seen like that deployed by Cameron and Osborne in 2016 – an underhand attempt to use the public purse to influence results at the ballot box. The damage from the last time that approach was pursued still lingers, as the occupants of Downing Street must surely know.

 

 

 

[Denny Crane]

 

 

Tom Boadle

 

@TomBoadle

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@TomBoadle

The People's Vote have got two targeted Facebook adverts of their own on the go. These are slightly bigger. Cost £100-£499 and clocking up between 10,000 and 50,000 impressions each

 

 

[Denny Crane]

You can see how difficult it would be for all parties to agree on not just on what is on a referendum but if its a straight shootout etc. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Here's another Michael Dougan lecture, this time specifically on the issue of migrants' rights under May's proposed deal.