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Should the UK remain a member of the EU

  

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  1. 1. Should the UK remain a member of the EU

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1 hour ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

The stand out remark in that piece and thanks for posting it...

 

Instead of Labour and the Conservatives getting their fucking heads together years ago to try and avoid a referendum for the good of the people, they did exactly what they're doing now and forged on with what's best the their own parties.

 

They'll never listen and we'll never learn.

 

  

The bit about people voting Leave as a sort of protest vote against the political class who spent decades ignoring them, patronising them and taking them for granted explains exactly why Labour are right not to have come out against the Referendum result. Telling 51.9% of the electorate "we're ignoring you, because we know better" is a guaranteed vote-loser.

 

The reason Labour and the Tories won't work together on this is that they have fundamentally incompatible conceptions of the way societies and economies should be structured.  They want different things. The days of the Major/Blair/Brown/Cameron neoliberal managerialist consensus are, thankfully, over.

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Say hello to minority government: The DUP are on strike

 

 

Cue the declarations that Theresa May has entered minority government and the Conservatives’ confidence and supply deal in dead. Though they aren’t wrong, in truth those declarations are a bit late. As I wrote last Friday, the DUP has been wilfully ignoring the letter of its agreement with the government for weeks – first on Brexit votes, and now on budget legislation

 

 

There is another argument to the contrary that you hear from sources familiar with the agreement’s drafting. They say it is the government, not the DUP, who are flouting the agreement, as the latter signed it on the basis that it would be supporting something more than Brexit in name only. In either case, the agreement is functionally dead and with tonight’s withdrawal of support the DUP is seeking to demonstrate that only it can provide confidence and supply to a Conservative government that satisfies its red line, and that this one isn’t it. 

For government whips, it is a rude reminder of just how unfriendly the Commons arithmetic is for the prime minister: they had already been forced to climb down and accept an amendment sponsored by 11 Remain-leaning Tories, including Jo Johnson, that called for the release of economic impact assessments on the Brexit deal. The DUP’s withdrawal of support is altogether more serious. 

It’s also worth noting that the only amendment the party will support bears the names of, among others, Jeremy Corbyn and John “it's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle” McDonnell. It’s a truism in Westminster – and one frequently recited by complacent Tories – that the DUP would never walk through the lobbies with these people or otherwise destabilise the government to their benefit. Their vote with the opposition sends a clear message: think again. (Nigel Dodds also praised Corbyn's attack lines on the backstop, which is identical to his, in the Commons last week.)

 

For the ERG leadership, meanwhile, it offers some cheer on a trying day. As its drive for 48 letters falters, they hope to weaponise the DUP’s abstention as evidence that Theresa May’s premiership is over as a going concern, and not just on Brexit. Their argument is that if she cannot command a majority for budget votes, she cannot govern full stop and only a change of leadership will avert the collapse of her administration and with it this parliament. Tonight's votes will give that argument some credibility. 

 

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/11/say-hello-minority-government-dup-are-strike?amp&__twitter_impression=true

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10 hours ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

The stand out remark in that piece and thanks for posting it.

 

Not only had we not been listened to, but people were just as guilty of blindly going on about their lives, all to consumed with the rat race we live in. Jumping on Thatchers credit driven property scam. She broke the unions with that one move. Put people in fear of losing their homes and they'll soon get back to work.

 

The last two recessions were caused by greedy cunts allowing allowing cunts to be greedy cunts. Bankers, financiers, politicians or whatever you want to call them all got very rich on the back of them. Brexit or no Brexit, we're heading straight into another one because cunts are still allowing cunts to be cunts. And al the while, us soft cunts pick up the tab when it goes wrong. Again!

 

Oh but don't worry. Jeremy's going to ride into town with his magic cheque book and save the day. Just like good old Tony did.

 

Instead of Labour and the Conservatives getting their fucking heads together years ago to try and avoid a referendum for the good of the people, they did exactly what they're doing now and forged on with what's best the their own parties.

 

They'll never listen and we'll never learn.

 

  

I see what you are saying. You cannot trust the poloticians and you cannot trust the people.

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The Labour amendment to the Finance Bill that would have forced the government to publish an economic impact assessment on May's Brexit deal was unfortunately lost by 5 votes after 30 Labour MPs, including a certain bearded gentleman, neglected to turn up for the vote.

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14 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The bit about people voting Leave as a sort of protest vote against the political class who spent decades ignoring them, patronising them and taking them for granted explains exactly why Labour are right not to have come out against the Referendum result. Telling 51.9% of the electorate "we're ignoring you, because we know better" is a guaranteed vote-loser.

 

The reason Labour and the Tories won't work together on this is that they have fundamentally incompatible conceptions of the way societies and economies should be structured.  They want different things. The days of the Major/Blair/Brown/Cameron neoliberal managerialist consensus are, thankfully, over.


A bit like calling a 2 million votes majority a bug's dick?

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55 minutes ago, SasaS said:


A bit like calling a 2 million votes majority a bug's dick?

1.3 million.  Out of 46.5 million votes cast. 

 

Are you going to pretend that it wasn't close?

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Apologies, I was quoting from memory.

It's not particularly close, it's 3.8 percentage points on an over 72% turnout. The difference is roughly the population of Merseyside.

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34 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Apologies, I was quoting from memory.

It's not particularly close, it's 3.8 percentage points on an over 72% turnout. The difference is roughly the population of Merseyside.

I'd say that was particularly close. It's certainly enough to say that the opinions of either set of voters - Leave or Remain - cannot be ignored and overridden.

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36 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Apologies, I was quoting from memory.

It's not particularly close, it's 3.8 percentage points on an over 72% turnout. The difference is roughly the population of Merseyside.

For context, the 1975 Referendum was a 2:1 majority to remain. 

 

2016 was a bug's dick.

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Fake moustaches. These are the people governing us.

 

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On the anonymity point, Francis Elliott has a lovely vignette in the Times today, gathered from previous 1922 Committee chairman Michael Spicer. “We had one or two rather bizarre disguises,” he recalled. “My secretary went down to collect a letter from some station somewhere. She came back full of giggles because the MP in question had had on a fake moustache.” Never forget, too, that the confidence vote is a secret ballot, so the assassins can still remain unidentified.

 

You may not have the looks

You may not have the dash

But you'll vote the PM down, if you've only got a moustache

A moustache, a moustache, if you've only got a moustache!

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2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

For context, the 1975 Referendum was a 2:1 majority to remain. 

 

2016 was a bug's dick.

1.3 million a bugs fuck?  Give over.

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I'm shocked that 1.3m Brtions fuck bugs. Bloody insectophiles.

 

It does explain the phrase "as tight as a gnat's chuff."

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32 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Fake moustaches. These are the people governing us.

 

 

You may not have the looks

You may not have the dash

But you'll vote the PM down, if you've only got a moustache

A moustache, a moustache, if you've only got a moustache!

Bloody muzzies

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6 hours ago, Strontium Dog said:

The Labour amendment to the Finance Bill that would have forced the government to publish an economic impact assessment on May's Brexit deal was unfortunately lost by 5 votes after 30 Labour MPs, including a certain bearded gentleman, neglected to turn up for the vote.

He didn’t neglect to turn up did he. He was given permission not to vote. Bit of a difference. 

 

Labour MP’s were paired with people who were not attending so did not vote to make it a fair result. 

 

 

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/finance-bill-vote-how-labour-lost-dup-budget-2018/

 

 

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1 hour ago, Anubis said:

Fake moustaches. These are the people governing us.

 

 

You may not have the looks

You may not have the dash

But you'll vote the PM down, if you've only got a moustache

A moustache, a moustache, if you've only got a moustache!

Excellent

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24 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

He didn’t neglect to turn up did he. He was given permission not to vote. Bit of a difference. 

 

Labour MP’s were paired with people who were not attending so did not vote to make it a fair result. 

 

 

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/finance-bill-vote-how-labour-lost-dup-budget-2018/

 

 

 

Right, well I'm not sure how him giving himself permission not to turn up alters the fact that he didn't turn up.

 

Nothing to do with pairing, Corbyn wasn't paired with anyone, and pairing doesn't explain why 27 Labour MPs didn't vote while 20 Tories didn't.

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1 hour ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Right, well I'm not sure how him giving himself permission not to turn up alters the fact that he didn't turn up.

 

Nothing to do with pairing, Corbyn wasn't paired with anyone, and pairing doesn't explain why 27 Labour MPs didn't vote while 20 Tories didn't.

How did he give himself permission? 

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When it comes to quashing any attempt to help the poor in Europe the EU would win Gold, Silver and Bronze in the "in a neo con cunt,  Olympics. 

 

They got form.

 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/dont-treat-italy-like-greece-spains-borrell-tells-brussels/

 

Awaits angry to call me or the person expressing view in link above a fash or racist.

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4 hours ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Right, well I'm not sure how him giving himself permission not to turn up alters the fact that he didn't turn up.

 

Nothing to do with pairing, Corbyn wasn't paired with anyone, and pairing doesn't explain why 27 Labour MPs didn't vote while 20 Tories didn't.

I agree with Stronts, it's not a good look for Corbyn.

However, if he had a valid reason for missing the vote - such as a secret meeting to discuss the formation of a new political party to replace the one he's currently the leader of - then I suppose it's fair enough.

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