Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Guest Pistonbroke]

What a load of bollocks. Loads of small companies have profited from being able to trade with European countries. 

[Kloppite]

What a load of bollocks. Loads of small companies have profited from being able to trade with European countries.

One swallow doesn't make a summer does it.

 

While no doubt there are 'loads' of small companies that have benefited from eu membership it doesn't necessarily mean those companies are numerous enough to have a big enough impact to share the wealth in the country.

 

There is nothing to suggest that these companies aren't service only companies and only need be run by such people as professionals in banking law.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

One swallow doesn't make a summer does it.

 

While no doubt there are 'loads' of small companies that have benefited from eu membership it doesn't necessarily mean those companies are numerous enough to have a big enough impact to share the wealth in the country.

 

There is nothing to suggest that these companies aren't service only companies and only need be run by such people as professionals in banking law.

 

Then why your above comment "During the last recession the only businesses that were doing well we're the businesses that tailored to the high end such as rolls Royce etc?" 

 

[Kloppite]

Then why your above comment "During the last recession the only businesses that were doing well we're the businesses that tailored to the high end such as rolls Royce etc?"

 

 

My point was that regardless of the state of the economy the rich will always make money regardless of the economy.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

No, you contradicted yourself. 

[Kloppite]

Then why your above comment "During the last recession the only businesses that were doing well we're the businesses that tailored to the high end such as rolls Royce etc?"

 

 

Or even if the country is getting wealthier for all appearances it doesn't mean that people down the ladder aren't being squeezed.

[Kloppite]

No, you contradicted yourself.

Where?

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Stop taking the piss, I pointed your contradiction out above. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Wouldn't think the EU are going to do shit all to protect the NHS to be honest with you considering that as far as I am aware the uk is the only member were health care if free at point of care.

 

I was working with an Irish lad and he said in Ireland wages may be higher but goods cost more. He also said your health care is free I said it isn't free we pay for it in national insurance and taxes. He then said at least when you need it its free and your not billed afterwards. I asked about those European health card things he said you still get billed afterwards and said when you go on holiday you still need to insure yourself don't you.

 

I would think that the EU would be a driving force for the privatisation of the NHS not the saviour of it.

 

After all why would anyone nation advocate keeping the NHS the way it is when it is not free at point of care in their own nations.

Nobody is arguing that the EU would be the saviour of the NHS.  That'd be daft.

 

Toothy is arguing that the EU are driving NHS privatisation.  He's wrong.

 

EU Member States are free to determine their own healthcare policies.

[magicrat]

The fact that eu migrants have made a net contribution to the countries finances is neither here nor there really it's just a statistical.

 

They very likely have made the country richer but it all depends where that wealth is going or who's pockets it's lining.

 

The rich getting richer while the poor are getting poorer.

 

Aren't we living in austerity Britain yet the countries getting so much wealthier because of the EU.

 

During the last recession the only businesses that were doing well we're the businesses that tailored to the high end such as rolls Royce etc.

 

Its not "here or there", it was central tenet of the argument made by the Leavers . Immigrants are a drain on our society and are stealing British workers jobs, The jobs in the NHS, and agriculture maybe, the jobs that can't be filled by British workers maybe

 

Anyway if you think your future is rosier under this right wing reactionary government than by staying in the EU, deeply flawed as it is then good luck to you. You'll need it,

[Kloppite]

Its not "here or there", it was central tenet of the argument made by the Leavers . Immigrants are a drain on our society and are stealing British workers jobs, The jobs in the NHS, and agriculture maybe, the jobs that can't be filled by British workers maybe

 

Anyway if you think your future is rosier under this right wing reactionary government than by staying in the EU, deeply flawed as it is then good luck to you. You'll need it,

I voted remain and as I have already stated I think all politicians are cunts regardless.

[magicrat]

I voted remain and as I have already stated I think all politicians are cunts regardless.

 

The trick is voting for the least cunty ones

[Kloppite]

The trick is voting for the least cunty ones

Or not voting at all!

[Barrington Womble]

Or not voting at all!

that only increases the chances of the most cunty ones getting in. 

[Kloppite]

that only increases the chances of the most cunty ones getting in.

Why vote for a cunt?

 

At least if you don't vote you can say I didn't vote for the cunt cause he's a cunt.

[Lee909]

If you dont vote you should shut the fuck up about how bad things are. You decided you didn't give a shit by not voting

[Kloppite]

If you dont vote you should shut the fuck up about how bad things are. You decided you didn't give a shit by not voting

No matter what cunt gets in its fucked up and where did you hear me moan about how shit things are?

 

 

Just like giving your seal of approval to a cunt cunting things Up!

[moof]

They aren't all cunts. There are loads of decent politicians, the key is getting them into positions where they can have an affect. A task made all the more difficult due to a mainstream media with myriad vested interests and an ill informed populace.

[Kloppite]

As the great man said

[VladimirIlyich]

They aren't all cunts. There are loads of decent politicians, the key is getting them into positions where they can have an affect. A task made all the more difficult due to a mainstream media with myriad vested interests and an ill informed populace.

Well said Mr Mook.

Of course it is difficult to spot the good ones as they are generally the most vilified in the popular media.

My own point of view generally comes from 'Who is the source?' and once I know this then its a little easier to form an opinion.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

As the great man said

It's good for a comedy film; a work of fiction.

 

In real life, low turnouts tend to give power to the cuntiest of the cunty.

[cloggypop]

You're never going to find a party that represents you 100% but it's easy enough to vote non Tory scum under a normal vote.

 

Bit more difficult in this referendum as it was a Tory civil war but still, normal hateful Tory is better than UKIP hateful Tory.

[magicrat]

Bit more difficult in this referendum as it was a Tory civil war but still, normal hateful Tory is better than UKIP hateful Tory.

 

I think what you're trying to say is that Cameron was marginally more palatable than May,

It was Cameron's fault we had this referendum and then having called it didn't allow expats and 16 year olds the vote, 

He also led the campaign and as a result turned the referendum into a protest vote against austerity .

May on the other hand is an automaton doing the bidding of the right and its powerful backers 

If we ever needed an example of why referendums on something so complicated as EU membership this was it .

[Barrington Womble]

Why vote for a cunt?

 

At least if you don't vote you can say I didn't vote for the cunt cause he's a cunt.

Because you get someone no matter what happens. Choosing the least worst option is always better than getting the worst. Who cares if you can say "I didn't vote for him"? We live in a country that unfortunately operates a FPTP system. Your vote isn't always about who you want in, but who you need to keep out.

[magicrat]

Because you get someone no matter what happens. Choosing the least worst option is always better than getting the worst. Who cares if you can say "I didn't vote for him"? We live in a country that unfortunately operates a FPTP system. Your vote isn't always about who you want in, but who you need to keep out.

 

Exactly,  No time whatsoever for people that don't vote, 

I get the disillusion with politics bit but not voting is an empty gesture, Engaging with politicians and political parties to get your voice heard is the answer . It might be hard and slow but its the only way, The alternative is to create a vacuum which then gets filled by populists offering simple solutions to complex problems . Farage is a prime example, Blames all our ills on migration, creates mayhem and irreparable damage by tipping the scales to leave the EU then fucks of with his German passport to suck Trumps pecker to live the dream in Washington