Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[cloggypop]

All the other EU members have a nationalised railway. It's a particularly shit example to pick out for your argument but a great one to show the UK being the main driving political force behind European neoliberalism.

[Gnasher]

All the other EU members have a nationalised railway. It's a particularly shit example to pick out for your argument but a great one to show the UK being the main driving political force behind European neoliberalism.

Not all, and that's part of the reason the eu wants to open up European railways to privatisation, they see the money to be made and endorse our fucked up model.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I've just seen the DTI's "Exporting is Great" advert.

 

That alone should be enough to give even the most hardened Brexiteer second thoughts.

[cloggypop]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-taxpayers-subsidising-european-train-9556521

[dennis tooth]

All the other EU members have a nationalised railway. It's a particularly shit example to pick out for your argument but a great one to show the UK being the main driving political force behind European neoliberalism.

"The EU is clear that its objective is “Opening up national freight and passenger markets to cross-border competition”."

It is what it is and not what eu think it is.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/08/renationalise-railways-what-no-one-will-tell-you-we-cant-while-were-eu

[cloggypop]

You should read less far right websites, Dennis.

[dennis tooth]

"ty. Countries including Sweden, Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark have made radical reforms to the way in which both passenger and freight services are provided. In the case of regional passenger services, these changes are, in most cases, based upon strong devolved government, to mainly regional bodies (see TSSA Journal March 2012). However, inter-city and freight have not been immune from radical changes either. Some of the impetus for reform has come from the European Union, through a series of ‘rail packages’ which have liberalised the market for both international passenger and freight services. A ‘fourth rail package’ is currently being debated by the European Parliament and if adopted will take ‘liberalisation’ of rail operations much further. Labour’s rail spokesperson Lilian Greenwood has strongly opposed its proposals for compulsory competitive tendering of ‘domestic’ rail passenger services. She told TSSA Journal: “No-one should doubt that this is an ideologically driven agenda. Even the European Commission concedes that the evidence for imposing rail privatisation is ‘ambiguous’ and describes compulsory tendering as a ‘political choice’.”"

"However, a political momentum developed within the EU which was part of a wider neo-liberal approach aimed at encouraging ‘competition’ and, by implication, privatisation. The first stage of this process was in the opening up of international services to competition. If passed, the current ‘fourth package’ proposals will see all rail services, passenger and freight, being opened up to compulsory competitive tender. The effect will be to seriously limit any attempt to develop a publicly owned and accountable railway, whether in the UK under a future Labour government, or elsewhere in Europe."

https://www.tssa.org.uk/en/whats-new/news/index.cfm/rail-across-europe-public-private-and-beyond

[cloggypop]

Oh, you've put a source now. Kate Hoey.

[dennis tooth]

You should read less far right websites, Dennis.

Like the new statesmen or the tassa.

[cloggypop]

First sentence from that TSSA link:

 

Britain is almost unique in its degree of private rail ownership and fragmentation...

[cloggypop]

Like the new statesmen or the tassa.

You should still cut down on the far right websites, Dennis. Can't be doing you any good at all.

[dennis tooth]

The eu is sorry it hasn't managed to privatise it all yet but it's working in it as it's fourth package proposals for the 'liberalisation' of eu rail markets demonstrates.

That's the agenda and it always was. I'm sorry to have to break it to you like this maybe we can still be freinds?

[dennis tooth]

First sentence from that TSSA link:

 

Britain is almost unique in its degree of private rail ownership and fragmentation...

Read on it shows why the tories were enabled to do that by eu legislation as well as the wider eu trend and where it's heading.

[dennis tooth]

After ww2 this was it's British raj if you like as any conquering army leaves it's stay behind device to maintain control. It's best if you keep that subject away from the occupied people's. Proof?

How much trading does the eu do with its powerhouse neighbour russia and is it free to do so as it pleases?

Why should the eu be sanctioning russia but trading with the saudi's Bahrain etc?

Why is it basically owned by gSachs and jp Morgan?

[cloggypop]

The top export market for Russia is actually the Netherlands.

 

http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/rus/

[dennis tooth]

So what has sanctioning russia and being attached to NATO got to do with the eu?

[cloggypop]

It's to do with the illegal annexation of the Crimea, Dennis.

 

http://europa.eu/newsroom/highlights/special-coverage/eu-sanctions-against-russia-over-ukraine-crisis_en

[dennis tooth]

Oh right. The eu prefers allowing coups by far right nazis to self determination.

[cloggypop]

You seem to be on the same page as Marine Le Pen

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/marine-le-pen-front-national-russian-kremlin-putin-invasion-annexation-crimea-ukraine-2014-a7566196.html

[Rico1304]

This is funny.

[dennis tooth]

You seem to be on the same page as Marine Le Pen

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/marine-le-pen-front-national-russian-kremlin-putin-invasion-annexation-crimea-ukraine-2014-a7566196.html

Well basically yes I agree with her there and reading in that article trumps position, you seem to be in the same page as Donald. Funny world.

[dennis tooth]

This is funny.

What's the punchline, is it that you promised to keep me on ignore?

[Gnasher]

Are people really on here agreeing with eu railway policy? and are people suggesting eu and nato expansion isnt just a political ploy to piss off Russia?

[dennis tooth]

http://www.rmt.org.uk/news/as-eu-imposes-rail-privatisation--rmt-says-vote-to-leave/

[dennis tooth]

"The Fourth Railway Package aims to make competitive tendering of rail passenger services mandatory across Europe – pushing Member States to privatise their railways. The package will also enforce the separation of train operations from infrastructure management – which has led to fragmentation, inefficiency and extra costs in the UK."

http://actionforrail.org/the-future-of-rail-in-europe-briefing-in-the-european-parliament/