Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[magicrat]

Even Le Pen isn't that stupid

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/marine-le-pen-france-renegotiate-eu-membership-european-union-front-national-leader-far-right-french-a7511566.html

 

I thought she had promised a referendum

 

What could possibly go wrong with that ?

[skend04]

I thought she had promised a referendum

 

What could possibly go wrong with that ?

I don't think the French would leave the EU. But another fascist leader with the nuclear code is all the world needs right now.

[magicrat]

I don't think the French would leave the EU. But another fascist leader with the nuclear code is all the world needs right now.

 

They only narrowly voted to accept Maastrich

I could easily see the loons getting a Leave vote through.

Just buy a big shiny bus and tell lots of lies. Job done 

[VladimirIlyich]

They only narrowly voted to accept Maastrich

I could easily see the loons getting a Leave vote through.

Just buy a big shiny bus and tell lots of lies. Job done

More Joe Le Taxi,hopefully.

[skend04]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/13/uk-labour-shortages-brexit-as-eu-worker-numbers-fall

 

Time for all those unemployed, who voted out to take back their jobs, to get on their bikes and start filling these vacancies.

[Lee909]

Is that a bad thing

 

Youd hope it would lead to them companies actually paying a fair fucking wage with sick benefits rather than minimum wage. The porters in my local hospital are outsourced. Get paid 5p over minimum wage with no sick pay. You'd hope they'd be forced now to pay a fair wage and give them benefits attracting people to the job.(not thst they shouldn't have been doing it before) Its not like the agencirs were not being paid enough by the NHS before

[VladimirIlyich]

Is that a bad thing

 

Youd hope it would lead to them companies actually paying a fair fucking wage with sick benefits rather than minimum wage. The porters in my local hospital are outsourced. Get paid 5p over minimum wage with no sick pay. You'd hope they'd be forced now to pay a fair wage and give them benefits attracting people to the job.(not thst they shouldn't have been doing it before) Its not like the agencirs were not being paid enough by the NHS before

It shouldn't be a bad thing and with a government who actually gave a shit about its citizens it would be a great thing,but look at recent UK Governments and ask yourself 'Do they actually give a shit about the majority of their citizens?' The answer is quite simply a big fat 'No.'

[Lee909]

Agree with you there.

Im sure they'll find a way against fair wages

[magicrat]

EU migrants are a net benefit to the economy and have little negative effect on wages.

There a host of studies been done it

 

The ones leaving will without doubt be mostly skilled people that can easily get jobs elsewhere,

People that stay in general won't or will be receiving some form of welfare

 

Tax revenues drop, labour shortages appear and the economy shrinks,  There isn't a silver lining,

The way to address low pay in hospital and other public services is to elect a non racist government that looks values them

[skend04]

What is a fair wage for unskilled jobs when studies indicate there's been little or no depression of wages because of immigration? Granted, working conditions for immigrants are shite but for people seeking a better wage I think they could be in for a surprise.

[magicrat]

What is a fair wage for unskilled jobs when studies indicate there's been little or no depression of wages because of immigration? Granted, working conditions for immigrants are shite but for people seeking a better wage I think they could be in for a surprise.

 

A massive question involving wealth distribution globalisation , popularism , automation and re-skilling

I am certain the answers don't involve Donald, Trump, Theresa May, Nigel Farage or Brexit.if that helps

 

The path we are on collectively where more and more wealth flows to to the richest and power is concentrated in the hands of a few will eventually test the system to destruction . I will be amazed if we don't see a major conflict in the next 20 years and I don't just mean proxy dust ups in the middle east . This drift towards nationlism and "me first" attitudes is a disaster, The Theresa May doctrine of if you're a citizen of the world you're a citizen of nowhere is becoming accepted as a de facto truth by many not just in our society but across the globe, History repeats and people can't or won't see the warning signs, Nothing good will come of this rise of the right as cooperation and sharing common values is the only way major problems in the world get solved . Sad that each generation seems to have to find that out the hard way and ends up being exploited by greedy cunts offering simple answers to complex problems,  

[Hades]

Corporations and money have more right to move globally than people. Think about that for a second.

[skend04]

Ouch. Are there any British speaker producers left?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/13/sonos-hikes-uk-prices-by-25-due-to-brexit

[njackets]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/13/uk-labour-shortages-brexit-as-eu-worker-numbers-fall

 

Time for all those unemployed, who voted out to take back their jobs, to get on their bikes and start filling these vacancies.

I thought all those that voted out were Tories is what I keep hearing on here.

 

Never mind, they'll just have to raise the wages.

[Strontium]

Raising wages invariably increases the risk of two things: rising prices, and a reduction in the number of jobs.

[magicrat]

Raising wages invariably increases the risk of two things: rising prices, and a reduction in the number of jobs.

 

Not if output and efficiency improves, Better paid workers are often more productive .

Incentivising people to work harder is not rocket science. 

[moof]

I thought all those that voted out were Tories is what I keep hearing on here.

 

Never mind, they'll just have to raise the wages.

When did you hear that?

[njackets]

When did you hear that?

Vote Leave = Tory haven't you been reading this thread?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Raising wages invariably increases the risk of two things: rising prices, and a reduction in the number of jobs.

"Invariably"?  That was the argument that was used before the introduction of the Minimum Wage.

 

The truth (as you know) is a lot more complicated than trite Tory platitudes.

[Strontium]

What I have written is a fact, and facts have no political bias.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

What I have written is a fact, and facts have no political bias.

Raising wages does not "invariably" increase the risk of a reduction in the number of jobs.  In some circumstances, it will protect jobs, because workers are also consumers.  In the early days of the Ford Motor Company, Henry Ford wouldn't have sold anything like the number of cars he did if he'd paid his workers the low wages prevalent at the time.

 

What you have written is not a fact.  The people who claim it is are those with a right-wing political bias.

[Jose Jones]

Strontium Dog, on 14 Feb 2017 - 07:22 AM, said:

 

Raising wages invariably increases the risk of two things: rising prices, and a reduction in the number of jobs.

You'll be volunteering for a pay cut then, so you can afford to buy more stuff.

[njackets]

Any of the EU fanclub in here know how long Juncker had left in his job as EU president? He's leaving apparently, prety disastrous reign for him maybe he's going before he's pushed although I'm unsure how these things work within the EU.

 

I'm sure the experts in here will Google I mean clue me in...

[skend04]

There will be no rise in wages for unskilled and low skilled jobs. You either take them as they are or they'll likely disappear as we enter the 'global' market. There was an appreciation and a level of protection under the EU but we're now looking to compete with countries paying tuppence halfpenny a day to their fruit pickers. You don't do that by paying a fair wage.

[Anubis]

If you think that, Google it yourself.