Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Is right,  For News International

You can get as much as you want on him if you google his name which was was common knowledge at the time of his departure,

 

Brendan Judge wasn't it? 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

I've always been very clear that I thought he was an absolute cunt well before I knew what his job was.

 

Yep, he was a condescending cunt. 

[lifetime fan]

He was an incredibly funny poster at times, however, he was always a bully and would carefully pick the victims of his attacks.

[magicrat]

Brendan Judge wasn't it? 

 

If anyone really cares they can trawl the forum and check.  It doesn't matter now. must be three years ago

[magicrat]

Back on message.

 

Thought this was interesting. Might shed some light on the Nissan deal . Brexit means brexit my fuckling arse.

 

 

Don Brind on what the assurances to Nissan might mean

The new Select committee on Exiting the European Union, who will hold their first meeting on Wednesday, will have the opportunity to shape the debate on what Brexit actual means.

The 21-strong committee is like to have a majority of members who backed Remain. Eight of the ten Tories, including Michael Gove, were Leavers but all five of the Labour members, including the chair Hilary Benn, were Remainers. Of the six smaller parties members only the Democratic Unionist Party representative is likely to join the Tory Leavers.

The witnesses they call and the evidence they commission will be important in creating the basis for an informed debate on how Brexit negotiations should be conducted and what the priorities should be.

There will be plenty of fun to be had when the committee grill the distinctly unimpressive trio of Brexit Ministers David Davis, Liam Fox and Boris Johnson.

One of the most significant areas the committee can be expected to explore is what scope exists for a deal on free movement of labour. In a must-read piece on the issue the editor of Labour Uncut Atul Hatwal  looks at the deal to keep Nissan manufacturing in Sunderland from the perspective of the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier. He declares

  “There is absolutely zero chance that Barnier would give Britain what it prizes the most – the automotive single market– “without extracting a concession on the issue that exercises Central and Eastern European states the most: migration. 

The firmness of Britain’s commitments to Nissan mean that the British government knows that it has to accept a compromise on this issue

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Hatwal outlines two possible approaches to allow continued free movement. One is sectoral, where specific arrangement allow key industries to keep current migration arrangements. The other is geographic, where devolved administrations would be able to opt-in to free movement with some associated single market advantages for these regions. “There would be a democratic mandate and local control over decision-making. Regions that were hostile to migration could simply not opt-in to any free movement scheme.”

Hatwal is clear that there is a bureaucratic cost to the twin approaches. His article is worth reading in its entirety.

On the same theme, Sunder Katwala director of the British Future think-tank strikes an optimistic note in an article for the FT.

He takes heart from the polling evidence that “there is no public support for an indiscriminate anti-immigration crackdown. Instead, three-quarters of people — including eight out of ten Leave and Ukip supporters — see Brexit as the opportunity to get the balance right, to have more choice and control over who comes to Britain while still keeping the immigration that is good for our economy and society. Britons also want to maintain our tradition of offering sanctuary to refugees.”

There is he concludes “a remarkable opportunity for a pragmatic deal on this most polarised of public policy issues. Seizing it would help to rebuild public confidence in Britain as a society where immigration and integration is a positive thing.”

Don Brind

[Guest Pistonbroke]

It's the pick and mix approach. 4 siblings with a huge bag of pick and mix, the greedy kid tries to take all the nice sweets and palm off the shit to the others. His parents get wind of this, slap his arse and he goes off to bed with fuck all. 

[magicrat]

It's the pick and mix approach. 4 siblings with a huge bag of pick and mix, the greedy kid tries to take all the nice sweets and palm off the shit to the others. His parents get wind of this, slap his arse and he goes off to bed with fuck all. 

 

In essence yes but the sub plot is that we will have little choice but accept free movement maybe with a few fig leaves to cover our arses,

[Guest Pistonbroke]

In essence yes but the sub plot is that we will have little choice but accept free movement maybe with a few fig leaves to cover our arses,

 

If the UK want access to the single market then they will have to accept free movement, those thinking otherwise are deluded and arrogant. In all honesty I doubt kippers and their ilk will be happy about any outcome, the Great Britain they envisage will never ever come to fruition. 

[lifetime fan]

If anyone really cares they can trawl the forum and check. It doesn't matter now. must be three years ago

You're silverlining and I claim my five pounds.

[Barrington Womble]

If the UK want access to the single market then they will have to accept free movement, those thinking otherwise are deluded and arrogant. In all honesty I doubt kippers and their ilk will be happy about any outcome, the Great Britain they envisage will never ever come to fruition.

But what about BMW needing to sell to us? Don't you realise they're the only product that sells in the whole of Europe and the UK is its only market?

[magicrat]

If the UK want access to the single market then they will have to accept free movement, those thinking otherwise are deluded and arrogant. In all honesty I doubt kippers and their ilk will be happy about any outcome, the Great Britain they envisage will never ever come to fruition. 

 

Sad part is the fucking stupid Tory twats that forced this referendum through to settle their internal power struggle will end up with the country more divided than ever and both sides deeply unhappy with the final outcome of Brexit. It's an absolute tragedy . Greedy power mad cunts that don't give two shits about the people they claim to represent,

[magicrat]

You're silverlining and I claim my five pounds.

 

You would take five pounds of Murdoch's blood money ?

[Guest Pistonbroke]

But what about BMW needing to sell to us? Don't you realise they're the only product that sells in the whole of Europe and the UK is its only market?

 

Totally forgot about that mate, let's not forget about Mercedes, Audi and VW as well, those really cheap cars that your average Joe can afford. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Sad part is the fucking stupid Tory twats that forced this referendum through to settle their internal power struggle will end up with the country more divided than ever and both sides deeply unhappy with the final outcome of Brexit. It's an absolute tragedy . Greedy power mad cunts that don't give two shits about the people they claim to represent,

 

True, but the cunts like a divided Britain, most Tories will still go on voting for them, the split affects the other main parties more. Expect at least another two terms of Tory rule. 

[magicrat]

True, but the cunts like a divided Britain, most Tories will still go on voting for them, the split affects the other main parties more. Expect at least another two terms of Tory rule. 

 

I have some hope that public opinion will turn against them as they fuck up Brexit and the economy weakens,

It would be easier if we had a functional opposition

[Guest Pistonbroke]

I have some hope that public opinion will turn against them as they fuck up Brexit and the economy weakens,

It would be easier if we had a functional opposition

 

Never give up the hope mate, I just feel you'll be stuck with the Tories well into the 20's. 

[cloggypop]

Have we started making Austin Princesses again yet?

[tokyojoe]

But what about BMW needing to sell to us? Don't you realise they're the only product that sells in the whole of Europe and the UK is its only market?

No BMWs on our roads? Road safety would improve a thousand fold.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Have we started making Austin Princesses again yet?

 

It was classed as a luxury car in its day mate, I kid thee not. 

[cloggypop]

[Guest Pistonbroke]

No BMWs on our roads? Road safety would improve a thousand fold.

 

You should read this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/insurance/motorinsurance/11993627/Its-official-drivers-of-luxury-cars-cause-more-accidents-insurers-say.html

[Strontium]

You would take five pounds of Murdoch's blood money ?

 

The club we support took almost £91m of it last season, five quid seems irrelevant in the scheme of things.

[lifetime fan]

The club we support took almost £91m of it last season, five quid seems irrelevant in the scheme of things.

 

 

for a fucking joke.

[cloggypop]

It's bad news for any of you that play F**tball Manager

 

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2016/11/football-manager-2017-review/

[magicrat]

Have we started making Austin Princesses again yet?

 

If IKEA made cars it would have been the Austin Princess

Build quality of a balsa wood bridge