Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

9 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

They’re all starting to see it. 

 

Mwuh-ha. Mwauhahaa. Mwuhahahahahahah. 
 

 

Obviously France, Italy and Britain no longer count.

[Gnasher]

Ursula the EU and the G7 leaders present and recent have done a spiffing job. Why oh why would anyone vote for change? Must be far right or far left agitators.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

British government inefficiency exposed. Good. 

 

In more important news than queues at Dover, France voted for two anti EU politicians in Melenchon and Le Penn and Italy have has saud no to the EUs top boy 'Super Mario's economic constraints.

 

 

People across Europe have had a gutsfull of this EU legitimate slave labour bollocks. That's all it is, swarms of people's travelling across the length and breadth of Europe to do jobs which suppress the labour rate and increase profits for those in power. 

 

Ursula ain't on your side. Europe has had enough of this centre ground bullshit.

 

 

Blah blah blah.

 

Your "EU slave labour" bullshit was stupidly wrong-headed when you first said it; it doesn't improve with age.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

35 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Ursula the EU and the G7 leaders present and recent have done a spiffing job. Why oh why would anyone vote for change? Must be far right or far left agitators.

Do you think that the UK has benefited in any respect from leaving the EU?

[Gnasher]

24 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Do you think that the UK has benefited in any respect from leaving the EU?

Absolutely. The low paid workers in Agriculture, Hospitality, Haulage etc were empowered. Just as Foot, Benn, Cummings said they'd be. Obviously now the cost of living crisis/war in Ukraine has muddied the waters. 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/the-jobs-giving-inflation-busting-pay-rises-but-cost-of-living-will-likely-erode-wage-gains-12595667

 

The whole conversation on how we look at and value low paid workers changed when we left the EU. It was needed. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

24 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Absolutely. The low paid workers in Agriculture, Hospitality, Haulage etc were empowered. Just as Foot, Benn, Cummings said they'd be. Obviously now the cost of living crisis/war in Ukraine has muddied the waters. 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/the-jobs-giving-inflation-busting-pay-rises-but-cost-of-living-will-likely-erode-wage-gains-12595667

 

The whole conversation on how we look at and value low paid workers changed when we left the EU. It was needed. 

Even before the Ukraine war, it was obvious that the temporary blip in some people's wages was fuck all to do with "empowerment" and everything to do with shortages caused as much by Covid as Brexity; it was also obvious that inflation would wipe those temporary increases out. (On the subject of "empowerment" the Tories are making no secret of the fact that stripping UK workers of their power was the whole point of Brexit.)

 

Any real-life benefits? Just one.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

32 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The whole conversation on how we look at and value low paid workers changed when we left the EU. 

No it didn't.

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

No it didn't.

Really? Yes it did. Those earning over a certain amount obviously missed it.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sees-fastest-wage-rises-sectors-most-reliant-eu-workers-indeed-2022-02-25/

[Gnasher]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-58409277.amp

 

 

[ZonkoVille77]

Ursula Von Der Leyen is a cunt. 

 

That is all. 

[Gnasher]

17 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

No it didn't.

Yes it did.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/c555d5af-4cdb-4f83-b12f-6857b7a8ba04

[AngryOfTuebrook]

12 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Really? Yes it did. Those earning over a certain amount obviously missed it.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sees-fastest-wage-rises-sectors-most-reliant-eu-workers-indeed-2022-02-25/

That doesn't say that Brexit led people to value those in low-paid jobs. Nor do your other links. They don't say it happened, because it never happened.

 

Ask Kwasi Kwarteng what he's been up to this week to show how much he and his Brexity chums value those oh-so-empowered low paid workers.

[Fugitive]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-58409277.amp

 

 

Drives up wages but we can’t run operations properly due to a lack of drivers and it drives consumer prises up affecting everyone else. You’re a fucking idiot.

 

I work in this sector and can see first hand just how bad it is. Recruiting for new drivers is a fucking shit show. Nobody wants to do it due to the hours and what is involved in the job. We massively increased our driver salaries and it’s done fuck all to help the driver shortage. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

7 minutes ago, Fugitive said:

Drives up wages but we can’t run operations properly due to a lack of drivers and it drives consumer prises up affecting everyone else. You’re a fucking idiot.

 

I work in this sector and can see first hand just how bad it is. Recruiting for new drivers is a fucking shit show. Nobody wants to do it due to the hours and what is involved in the job. We massively increased our driver salaries and it’s done fuck all to help the driver shortage. 

It's hours that a lot of places need to address. People start Jobs realise its a job and finish situation, lumber people with too much work and they jib it. For so many people work life balance especially after the pandemic has become as important if not more so than pay.

[Moo]

45 minutes ago, Fugitive said:

Drives up wages but we can’t run operations properly due to a lack of drivers and it drives consumer prises up affecting everyone else. You’re a fucking idiot.

 

I work in this sector and can see first hand just how bad it is. Recruiting for new drivers is a fucking shit show. Nobody wants to do it due to the hours and what is involved in the job. We massively increased our driver salaries and it’s done fuck all to help the driver shortage. 

And the knock on effects further down the line as predicted on here (and everywhere else) when specific wage rises were being lauded as a Brexit bonanza.  And so much for food retail coining it in during Covid.

The news says the Co op is announcing hundreds of job losses in it's support centres.  No not it's shop workers or drivers, but people who support those operations. Cost cutting measures as profits are not where they need to be, inflation etc. And no doubt supply chain issues hitting sales. 

And I reckon others will have to follow.

All of it, a bloody mess.

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, Moo said:

And the knock on effects further down the line as predicted on here (and everywhere else) when specific wage rises were being lauded as a Brexit bonanza.  And so much for food retail coining it in during Covid.

The news says the Co op is announcing hundreds of job losses in it's support centres.  No not it's shop workers or drivers, but people who support those operations. Cost cutting measures as profits are not where they need to be, inflation etc. And no doubt supply chain issues hitting sales. 

And I reckon others will have to follow.

All of it, a bloody mess.

Unemployment is low. Vacancies are high.  Fuck the Co-ops support centres. They should tell their bosses to go fuck themselves,

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58881124.amp

[Moo]

I'm not sure where you're going with that.

So, if the problems are industry wide and others have to follow suit, then what, fuck them all?  Because there's vacancies in hospitality we don't need to care about what happens in other sectors?

[Fugitive]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Unemployment is low. Vacancies are high.  Fuck the Co-ops support centres. They should tell their bosses to go fuck themselves,

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58881124.amp

Vacancies are high because nobody wants the jobs. Everyone want the standard 7.5 hours, 9-5 Monday to Friday. We need EU employees who are not prone to do a bit.

 

brexit has fucked us

[Moo]

So where are all these vacancies? What area of the UK and in what sectors?  Where can someone, earning a decent wage on decent hours in a back office supply chain role in food retail, look to find a similar role where prospective employers will be fighting over them due to an excess of vacancies?

[Fugitive]

1 minute ago, Moo said:

So where are all these vacancies? What area of the UK and in what sectors?  Where can someone, earning a decent wage on decent hours in a back office supply chain role in food retail, look to find a similar role where prospective employers will be fighting over them due to an excess of vacancies?

There are vacancies. We have loads but nobody them. We pay well but nobody wants to work the hours we work. The EU workers did but the British don’t want them.

[Fugitive]

Come on Gnasher, give us the solution.

[Rushies tash]

3 minutes ago, Moo said:

So where are all these vacancies? What area of the UK and in what sectors?  Where can someone, earning a decent wage on decent hours in a back office supply chain role in food retail, look to find a similar role where prospective employers will be fighting over them due to an excess of vacancies?

I imagine the vast majority are veg picking, cleaning the toilets in hotels or wiping the arses of care home residents. The fact that they are still vacant says that Brits don't want to do them.

[Gnasher]

20 minutes ago, Moo said:

So where are all these vacancies? What area of the UK and in what sectors?  Where can someone, earning a decent wage on decent hours in a back office supply chain role in food retail, look to find a similar role where prospective employers will be fighting over them due to an excess of vacancies?

People have been unfortunate enough to witness the Thatcher days of three plus million unemployed. People were so destitute they walked into the sea or committed suicide by other means. Whole industries were in ruins, neighbourhoods in every city in Britain devoid of hope. It was fucking awful.

 

Low unemployment and high vacancies (caused by brexit not by government competence) is really nothing to be taken for granted or be sniffed at. 

 

Edit; im obviously not trying to patronise anyone on here about unemployment as I'm aware Merseyside and South Wales were the worst areas hit. And fuck me, hit they were.

[Fugitive]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

People have been unfortunate enough to witness the Thatcher days of three plus million unemployed. People were so destitute they walked into the sea or committed suicide by other means. Whole industries were in ruins, neighbourhoods in every city in Britain devoid of hope. It was fucking awful.

 

Low unemployment and high vacancies (caused by brexit not by government competence) is really nothing to be taken for granted or be sniffed at. 

Answer my posts.

[Rushies tash]

I looked it up myself:

 

https://diversitydashboard.co.uk/news/revealed-job-sectors-where-vacancies-have-more-th/214/

 

Arts, entertainment and recreation seems suitably vague. Presumably all the bar staff that were laid off due to covid and can't be arsed going back. "Wholesale" is another standout sector. Again, the article doesn't elaborate, but that could include agriculture.