Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Anubis]

On 03/06/2022 at 14:20, A Red said:

I hope the pineapple on sticks are getting through

Mrs Banfield! Mrs Banfield! That’s Cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick!

[A Red]

2 hours ago, Anubis said:

Mrs Banfield! Mrs Banfield! That’s Cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick!

I bet there's no shortage of Pizza, as you know, nobody wants Pizza as much as me.

[Bjornebye]

3 hours ago, Anubis said:

Express headline of ‘Rage As Brits’ take to social media to complain they are having to queue at Spanish passport control for 3 hours while EU citizens breeze through. Naturally, it’s trending on social media with the accompanying piss taking.

Yep and the ones doing most of the complaining will probably be thick brexit twats. It's out of order on the ones who voted remain and had the foresight that this was going to be a complete disaster. 

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

13 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Yep and the ones doing most of the complaining will probably be thick brexit twats. It's out of order on the ones who voted remain and had the foresight that this was going to be a complete disaster. 

 

 

 

 

Bollocks.

Its hardly a disaster for the low paid though, or don't they count? 

 

An example; you go for breakfast in town, it's likely the service staff have had wage rises, the chef cooking your food have received a wage rise, the workers harvesting the food have received pay rises, plus the people who deliver the food to the cafe/restaurant have received wage rises. Plus vacancies are high, unemployment is low. I'd bet those serving your beer at Knebwearth also had to be given a better rate of pay to turn out, otherwise they can't attract the staff.

 

The low paid workers at airports also have a firm hand in wage negotiations. 

 

Why do think none of our political parties are calling for a return to the EU?

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Bollocks.

Its hardly a disaster for the low paid though, or don't they count? 

 

An example; you go for breakfast in town, it's likely the service staff have had wage rises, the chef cooking your food have received a wage rise, the workers harvesting the food have received pay rises, plus the people who deliver the food to the cafe/restaurant have received wage rises. Plus vacancies are high, unemployment is low. I'd bet those serving your beer at Knebwearth also had to be given a better rate of pay to turn out, otherwise they can't attract the staff.

 

The low paid workers at airports also have a firm hand in wage negotiations. 

 

Why do think none of our political parties are calling for a return to the EU?

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/migration-and-wages-after-covid-and-brexit/

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/12/higher-wages-are-welcome-but-workers-should-not-think-fortunes-have-changed

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sees-fastest-wage-rises-sectors-most-reliant-eu-workers-indeed-2022-02-25/

 

 

Great short term fix for British hospitality workers. Of course they count, why wouldn’t they? So does everyone. Is that ok?? Does everyone else count? 
 

Let’s see what your stance is in 5 years. 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Why do think none of our political parties are calling for a return to the EU?

Is it 

a) because they love working class people and want to ensure that they're not subject to those beastly foreigners forcing reductions in their pay and conditions? 

or 

b) because the tax-dodging billionaires who own our media have made it painfully obvious that they would ensure that anyone who takes that position will lose?

 

It's a real head-scratcher.

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/migration-and-wages-after-covid-and-brexit/

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/12/higher-wages-are-welcome-but-workers-should-not-think-fortunes-have-changed

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sees-fastest-wage-rises-sectors-most-reliant-eu-workers-indeed-2022-02-25/

 

 

Great short term fix for British hospitality workers. Of course they count, why wouldn’t they? So does everyone. Is that ok?? Does everyone else count? 
 

Let’s see what your stance is in 5 years. 

 

 

Low paid workers in the hospitality/agricultural sectors have had the piss taken out of them for decades. All change and good. Airport staff the same.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Bollocks.

Its hardly a disaster for the low paid though, or don't they count? 

 

An example; you go for breakfast in town, it's likely the service staff have had wage rises, the chef cooking your food have received a wage rise, the workers harvesting the food have received pay rises, plus the people who deliver the food to the cafe/restaurant have received wage rises. Plus vacancies are high, unemployment is low. I'd bet those serving your beer at Knebwearth also had to be given a better rate of pay to turn out, otherwise they can't attract the staff.

How many of those will have had real-terms pay rises? 

[Captain Howdy]

Am I the only one who hasn’t really noticed any difference? COVID and Ukraine has made it hard to judge I think.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

11 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The low paid workers at airports also have a firm hand in wage negotiations. 

Any evidence of this?

[Gnasher]

Just now, Captain Howdy said:

Am I the only one who hasn’t really noticed any difference? COVID and Ukraine has made it hard to judge I think.

It has now, you're right. Most of the outrage was/is on social media.

[Gnasher]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Any evidence of this?

Yes, the logjams need moving and without the staff we ain't going nowhere, same as the tubes. Pay up or stay put.

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

How many of those will have had real-terms pay rises? 

Inflation beyond most people's predictions has obviously scuppered the rises as you know Angry. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Yes, the logjams need moving and without the staff we ain't going nowhere, same as the tubes. Pay up or stay put.

That's not evidence; that's page one of "My Bumper Book of Free Market Theory".

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Inflation beyond most people's predictions has obviously scuppered the rises as you know Angry. 

And still you bang on as if every formerly low-paid worker is now living the high life.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

And still you bang on as if every formerly low-paid worker is now living the high life.

No i'm not i'm pointing to the reality of low paid workers gaining better pay through being in a stronger employer/employee position through the increase in low paid vacancies in hospitality/agriculture/warehouse/construction/factory work.

 

Not everyone can be university educated and earning the average wage or above, those who survive on less are equally invaluable and important to the country yet have experienced wage stagnation for decades, now market forces have swung the pendulum their way its boiling peoples piss.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Market forces. I thought it was the glory of Brexit that was responsible? 

[Gnasher]

37 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/migration-and-wages-after-covid-and-brexit/

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/12/higher-wages-are-welcome-but-workers-should-not-think-fortunes-have-changed

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-sees-fastest-wage-rises-sectors-most-reliant-eu-workers-indeed-2022-02-25/

 

 

Great short term fix for British hospitality workers. Of course they count, why wouldn’t they? So does everyone. Is that ok?? Does everyone else count? 
 

Let’s see what your stance is in 5 years. 

 

 

In 5 years it'll depend who's in charge. If Starmer i would suggest he's intelligent and level headed enough to forge a good working relationship with our European neighbours, similar to how other countries have managed who decided not to join the EU. 

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Market forces. I thought it was the glory of Brexit that was responsible? 

Brexit has indeed pushed market forces to increase pay in certain sectors, agriculture being an obvious example.

[Numero Veinticinco]

8 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Brexit has indeed pushed market forces to increase pay in certain sectors, agriculture being an obvious example.

Oh, you are a card Gnasher. 

 

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Any evidence of this?

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

41 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

 

And this is related to Brexit, because...?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

 

As I understand it, airports (in the UK, at least) laid a load of people off in the pandemic and are now suddenly surprised that people weren't sitting around waiting for the call; that's why they are now struggling with recruitment and retention.

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

As I understand it, airports (in the UK, at least) laid a load of people off in the pandemic and are now suddenly surprised that people weren't sitting around waiting for the call; that's why they are now struggling with recruitment and retention.

Pretty much, and as with other professions where low paid workers were taken for granted the management are now being told to go whistle.

 

Covid added to Brexit has altered the dynamics of employer/employee relations. Vacancies are high, unemployment is low, it's the new reality. Might all go down the pan now with the war and sky high inflation but that's where we were. Every street in Britain had workers like the Bristolian coffee girl or the carpenter from the Midlands.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Pretty much, and as with other professions where low paid workers were taken for granted the management are now being told to go whistle.

 

Covid added to Brexit has altered the dynamics of employer/employee relations. Vacancies are high, unemployment is low, it's the new reality. Might all go down the pan now with the war and sky high inflation but that's where we were. Every street in Britain had workers like the Bristolian coffee girl or the carpenter from the Midlands.

This isn't the new reality: this is the Covid/Brexit/Ukraine blip. When the crises of Covid and the Ukraine war have passed, we'll be left with the new reality of Brexit - a world in which UK workers have fewer rights, worse conditions and lower pay than their EU counterparts. That is the point of Brexit.