Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 29/04/2022 at 14:30, Gnasher said:

As for the government experiencing logistical problems at some of its ports, oh well.

Because that doesn't hurt working class people at all. Obviously.

 

Those logistical problems you're so dismissive of cause (or aggravate) shortages.

Shortages cause inflation.

Inflation wipes out pay rises - even those limited, temporary, sector-specific pay rises that you fetishise.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

 

A few topical ones off the top of my head for Deborah. Abolish VAT on energy. Privatise Rail and Energy companies. Outlaw the working practices that were used against P&0 staff that were legal in the EU.

[Moo]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Because that doesn't hurt working class people at all. Obviously.

 

Those logistical problems you're so dismissive of cause (or aggravate) shortages.

Shortages cause inflation.

Inflation wipes out pay rises - even those limited, temporary, sector-specific pay rises that you fetishise.

And will eventually lead to job losses in the supply chain.

Yay for [very] short term and limited benefits.

[Gnasher]

23 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Because that doesn't hurt working class people at all. Obviously.

 

Those logistical problems you're so dismissive of cause (or aggravate) shortages.

Shortages cause inflation.

Inflation wipes out pay rises - even those limited, temporary, sector-specific pay rises that you fetishise.

The French strike at their ports on a regular basis Angry, the world still turns, you're being over dramatic. You're also confusing piss poor government planning with the act of us pulling out of the EU and by doing so you're letting the government off the hook.

[Creator Supreme]

24 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

A few topical ones off the top of my head for Deborah. Abolish VAT on energy. Privatise Rail and Energy companies. Outlaw the working practices that were used against P&0 staff that were legal in the EU.

You want Rail and Energy to stay privatised?

 

As for the rest, won't happen under a Tory government, nor under a Starmer Labour government!

[Gnasher]

16 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

You want Rail and Energy to stay privatised?

 

As for the rest, won't happen under a Tory government, nor under a Starmer Labour government!

No I don't want Rail and Energy to stay in private hands. You're unfortunately right about both Labour and Conservatives not bringing them under our control buts that's a fault to be leveled at our own politicians and not the act of leaving the EU, which presents the opportunity.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

A few topical ones off the top of my head for Deborah. Abolish VAT on energy. Privatise Rail and Energy companies. Outlaw the working practices that were used against P&0 staff that were legal in the EU.

All of these things could have been done in the EU.

 

None of these things have been done since we left the EU.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

The French strike at their ports on a regular basis Angry, the world still turns, you're being over dramatic. You're also confusing piss poor government planning with the act of us pulling out of the EU and by doing so you're letting the government off the hook.

Nope. 

 

Strikes at ports come and go. The Brexit delays at UK ports have been a durable feature of the UK economy ever since "Independence Day" and they will continue to be so - and they will continue to aggravate inflation.

 

And, there is nothing "over dramatic" about being angry at the fact that millions of working class people are facing serious economic hardship as a direct result of this. Maybe you don't give a fuck about anyone except some waitress in a coffee shop, but the rest of us can see how badly people are suffering.

[Gnasher]

56 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Nope. 

 

Strikes at ports come and go. The Brexit delays at UK ports have been a durable feature of the UK economy ever since "Independence Day" and they will continue to be so - and they will continue to aggravate inflation.

 

And, there is nothing "over dramatic" about being angry at the fact that millions of working class people are facing serious economic hardship as a direct result of this. Maybe you don't give a fuck about anyone except some waitress in a coffee shop, but the rest of us can see how badly people are suffering.

"Some waitress in a coffee shop" we saw the value of people like fruit/veg pickers/haulage workers etc when we had a shortage; people couldn't cope with Nandos having a weekend shortage of chicken. Good article on how way certain people are systematically looked down on throughout Britain here,

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/10/starmer-working-class-voters-labour-leader-brexit

 

People are not suffering because of Brexit Angry, the economy did ok for a long while after we left Europe despite having a government full of numbsculls, remember the then Chancellor George Osborne predicting an emergency budget to try to combat mass unemployment and a house price crass. 

 

The incoming cost of living crises is caused through multiple reasons Angry, intrest rates are rising in the States for example, we have a government which could smash energy bills by taking our assets back into public hands, although I'm sure the people in power will appreciate you missing them as the main target whilst aiming your arrow at Brexit.

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Nope. 

 

Strikes at ports come and go. The Brexit delays at UK ports have been a durable feature of the UK economy ever since "Independence Day" and they will continue to be so - and they will continue to aggravate inflation.

 

And, there is nothing "over dramatic" about being angry at the fact that millions of working class people are facing serious economic hardship as a direct result of this.

The British public are facing serious economic hardship because of this government's incompetence and because of outside events such as Putins  invasion of Ukraine.

 

Here's a rough breakdown, 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/cost-of-living-crisis-how-the-war-in-ukraine-is-eroding-living-standards-in-the-uk-12568365

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Maybe you don't give a fuck about anyone except some waitress in a coffee shop, but the rest of us can see how badly people are suffering.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

20 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 the economy did ok for a long while after we left Europe 

The UK left the EU on 31st January 2020.

The UK entered lockdown on 23rd March 2020.

 

So, what, the economy did OK for 7 weeks? That's your argument?

[Gnasher]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The UK left the EU on 31st January 2020.

The UK entered lockdown on 23rd March 2020.

 

So, what, the economy did OK for 7 weeks? That's your argument?

The UK knew it was leaving two years earlier, the turbulence has been slight. Its over Angry, gone, the opposition parties are rarely talking about it anymore nevermind criticising it, that goes for the Libs as much as Labour. Don't do it to yourself Angry, waste of energy, more relavant enemies to slay.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

20 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The UK knew it was leaving two years earlier, the turbulence has been slight. Its over Angry, gone, the opposition parties are rarely talking about it anymore nevermind criticising it, that goes for the Libs as much as Labour. Don't do it to yourself Angry, waste of energy, more relavant enemies to slay.

"You lost, get over it" only makes sense if you're one of the winners from Brexit, like the Tory kleptocrats and their hedge-fund mates. Working class people who say it - while wondering why their money runs out so quickly these days - are self-harming shitwits.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

23 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The UK knew it was leaving two years earlier, the turbulence has been slight.

It's a bit like someone who has thrown themself out of an aeroplane taking solace in the fact that the flight was smooth until that point.

[Gnasher]

3 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

"You lost, get over it" only makes sense if you're one of the winners from Brexit, like the Tory kleptocrats and their hedge-fund mates. Working class people who say it - while wondering why their money runs out so quickly these days - are self-harming shitwits.

God that black girl from Barton in Bristol really did boil the piss, how odd that working class kids getting pay rises because of a strong jobs market due to labour shortages should annoy the people who should be on their side and who should know better. That kid was sound and im happy their's plenty more like her.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/wetherspoons-brexit-government-vat-europe-b958592.html

[Bruce Spanner]

He makes a good point…

[AngryOfTuebrook]

13 hours ago, Gnasher said:

God that black girl from Barton in Bristol really did boil the piss, how odd that working class kids getting pay rises because of a strong jobs market due to labour shortages should annoy the people who should be on their side and who should know better. That kid was sound and im happy their's plenty more like her.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/wetherspoons-brexit-government-vat-europe-b958592.html

Straw man shite. Again.

 

Nobody is unhappy about poor people getting a much-needed payrise. We're unhappy about the fact that it's a blip, that millions of other equally-deserving underpaid people are getting nowt and that Brexit is making life much worse for all working class people in the longer term.

 

And we're angry at Lexit fantasists still pushing the Panglossian lie that boosts the right wing of the Tory Party.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Ros Atkins really is good at these crap-cutting summaries.

 

[TD_LFC]

On 10/05/2022 at 22:58, Gnasher said:

God that black girl from Barton in Bristol really did boil the piss, how odd that working class kids getting pay rises because of a strong jobs market due to labour shortages should annoy the people who should be on their side and who should know better. That kid was sound and im happy their's plenty more like her.

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/wetherspoons-brexit-government-vat-europe-b958592.html

It'll be a fun time when workers rights (and human rights) have been eroded to the point where all those companies in sectors that have suffered staff shortages because of Brexit, and have been forced to offer higher wages to fight for a smaller workforce, get to sack those higher paid staff for lower paid staff when everything equalises. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

[AngryOfTuebrook]

[Anubis]

Sounds about right.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Allegations - with enough supporting evidence for the journalist to feel confident enough to name names - about intelligence agents covertly pulling the strings of this particularly shit version of Brexit; even to the extent of deposing the Prime Minister.

 

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/05/15/operation-leaked-emails-intelligence-coup-boris-johnson/

[AngryOfTuebrook]

 

[Gnasher]

On 10/05/2022 at 19:20, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The UK left the EU on 31st January 2020.

The UK entered lockdown on 23rd March 2020.

 

So, what, the economy did OK for 7 weeks? That's your argument?

 

From this; official government memo,

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/britain-to-enter-recession-with-500000-uk-jobs-lost-if-it-left-eu-new-treasury-analysis-shows

 

To this,

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-unemployment-falls-lowest-since-1974-2022-05-17/

 

The above is in no way related to Government competence. Now let's see our Union leaders and politicians throw down the gauntlet and demand above inflation wage rises for workers and impress how important peoples abour is to the economy, without it the country is fucked. Glad to be out of the glorified slave labour market.