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  1. 1. Should the UK remain a member of the EU

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Just now, Bjornebye said:

About Gnasher?

The Welsh fella!

Imagine having a leader with actual centre left principles who calls them out for the cunts they are.

It will never catch on.

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Gnasher? 

 

This country shot itself in the fucking foot (geddit foot, good for me) when in 1983 on the back of the Falklands war they didn't elect this man instead of Thatcher. 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Gnasher will be tearing up his Mark Drakeford Fan Club membership card.

Drakeford is spot on, the days of treating workers as commodities to be used at will are over. To offer overseas workers short term work to get us out of a mess of our own making is insulting and just plain wrong.

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Mrs Mars was working with an ex-hgv driver at the Ipswich Corn Exchange today. He said he was earning more an hour doing this. He also said that drivers from eastern Europe had depressed wages for British drivers; complaining was pointless as they could be quickly replaced with an eastern European driver.

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3 minutes ago, mars said:

Mrs Mars was working with an ex-hgv driver at the Ipswich Corn Exchange today. He said he was earning more an hour doing this. He also said that drivers from eastern Europe had depressed wages for British drivers; complaining was pointless as they could be quickly replaced with an eastern European driver.


Wasn’t there also a point where they had to register as self employed and this hit them massively so a lot left through that.

 

Not just cheaper labour, though it played a part, but also government interference and a gradual dehumanising work life leading to people leaving in droves.

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10 hours ago, mars said:

Mrs Mars was working with an ex-hgv driver at the Ipswich Corn Exchange today. He said he was earning more an hour doing this. He also said that drivers from eastern Europe had depressed wages for British drivers; complaining was pointless as they could be quickly replaced with an eastern European driver.

Shouldnt the finger of blame be pointed at the people paying them?

Also I wonder what were his thoughts in the 80s when countless brits had to go to europe to work thanks to that evil witch?

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Good day in Brexitania today.

 

Animal exports tend to be done in a way which maximises profit, so female sheep, cows, pigs etc will be transported pregnant effectively doubling the load without taking up more space, we can argue the ethics long in to the night, but that beside the point.

 

We can no longer do this as we didn't sign up to the standards nor do we have the infrastructure to deal with it meaning our breeding exports will grind to a halt as the fine print hasn't been checked again.

 

We can now though accept GM food in to the foodchain as they do in America, perhaps a precursor to when the US does us over with any trade deal.

 

Here's some info on Monsanto and the effects they have on farming, food and industry.

 

https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/2021/03/02/gmos-plant-seeds-corporate-control/

 

Can somebody tell me when we stop winning, I'm becoming numb to it.

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I got sent this link about the HGV driver shortage, guy is a Polish lorry driver, it was an interesting read as to the issues faced by workers in the haulage industry and the reasons why the UK has ended up where it is,

 

https://orynski.eu/20-reasons-why-there-is-shortage-of-drivers-in-the-uk/?fbclid=IwAR1cOH11V4DmOeFa_4OJVwlSzP-VkC8ln2agbnod--A2Ajgm9j9ig1OUpro

 

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2 hours ago, Arniepie said:

Shouldnt the finger of blame be pointed at the people paying them?

Also I wonder what were his thoughts in the 80s when countless brits had to go to europe to work thanks to that evil witch?

Yes the finger should definitely be pointed at empolyers/government, the recent worker shortages and  pay rises makes it undeniable that the large influx of EU workers depressed wages. 

 

As for your last point on workers going to Germany to escape Thatchers poverty, EU workers are still working across Europe, most are skilled, well trained workers, they don't really need us, they still have plenty of options for work, if not here then throughout the rest of Europe.

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On 27/09/2021 at 16:25, TD_LFC said:

And in the meantime stay off the roads as the lesser skilled, trained for quantity over quality, are let loose on the roads to prop up the governments shit show.


haha, like you’ll have any fucking petrol anyway

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43 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Each Member State gets to nominate a member of the court of auditors; if the Belgian government chooses to nominate someone dodgy on the basis of his connections, rather than any qualifications, that's on them.

 

The UK were no better. Our first appointee was the naughty kid from Fireman Sam.

 

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25 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Each Member State gets to nominate a member of the court of auditors; if the Belgian government chooses to nominate someone dodgy on the basis of his connections, rather than any qualifications, that's on them.

 

The UK were no better. Our first appointee was the naughty kid from Fireman Sam.

 

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You've only got to take a brief glance at the background of the woman at the head of the EU to see where the organisations soul is.

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29 minutes ago, skend04 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/wetherspoons-loss-covid-lockdown-b1930435.html

 

It's more Covid related but it's cheery news nonetheless when Brexit Tim has lost a wedge of cash in the last year.

Honestly, sales down just 1.26b over the period they are reporting makes it looks like they're in fucking great shape. It includes basically the whole of last summer with social distancing restrictions, the autumn on/off regional and national lockdowns, lockdowns for the 1st 3 months of this year and many of the cunt's pubs didn't open till indoor drinking was allowed in May (mid may was it?). Sure, they've lost some money, but I'm sure they'll be traded off to some extent with tax claw back on future profits. 

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Apparently the cases above are caused by a misreading of the German driving licence.  This leads to German drivers being given authorisation to drive HGVs when they can’t. Fucking shambles.  

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37 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Nothing to see here. 
 

 

i don't know how you can be critical of a government that is working so tirelessly, leaving no stone unturned, to ensure there is a happy brexit for all. Once again, the british bull dog spirit shines through. 

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Just now, Barrington Womble said:

i don't know how you can be critical of a government that is working so tirelessly, leaving no stone unturned, to ensure there is a happy brexit for all. Once again, the british bull dog spirit shines through. 

Ha. 

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Other countries calling it out for what it is and have been doing for a while whilst we sleepwalk to the brink of real societal struggles.

 

The last paragraph is especially pertinent.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/opinion/britain-fuel-crisis-johnson.html?searchResultPosition=2

 

'LONDON — Long lines outside gas stations. Panicked drivers fighting one another as the pumps run dry. Soldiers deployed to distribute fuel across the country. And in the background, the pandemic stretching on, food rotting in fields and families sinking into poverty. This is Britain in 2021.

 

Not long ago, as Prime Minister Boris Johnson lifted all pandemic restrictions in July, the mood across the country was cautiously optimistic. A successful vaccine rollout had finally restored cherished freedoms to daily life: visiting friends and family in their homes, socializing with strangers, eating in restaurants. Cases of the virus continued to multiply, but the number of hospitalizations and deaths fell markedly. The nightmare, it seemed, was over.

 

But any sense of normality has been banished in the past few weeks. A dramatic fuel crisis, caused in large part by a lack of truck drivers and which at its peak forced around a third of all gas stations to close, is only the most glaring concern.

 

A convergence of problems — a global gas shortage, rising energy and food prices, supply-chain issues and the Conservatives’ decision to slash welfare — has cast the country’s future in darkness. Even Mr. Johnson, known for his boosterish optimism and bonhomie, has struggled to make light of the situation.

 

The panic of the past week, which recalled old memories (and myths) about the tumultuous late 1970s, was a long time coming. For many months, industry leaders across the economy have warned about chronic labor shortages — of truck drivers, yes, but also fruit pickers, meat processors, waiters and health care workers — disrupting supply chains and impeding businesses.

 

\The signs of breakdown are everywhere: empty shelves in supermarkets, food going to waste in fields, more and more vacancy posters tacked to the windows of shops and restaurants. Meat producers have even called on the government to let them hire prisoners to plug the gap.

 

One of the main causes of this predicament is Brexit, or at least the government’s handling of Brexit. Britain’s protracted departure from the bloc, undertaken without any real effort by Mr. Johnson to ensure a smooth transition, led to an exodus of European workers — a process then compounded by the pandemic. As many as 1.3 million overseas nationals left Britain between July 2019 and September 2020.

 

Yet as it became clear that Britain faced substantial shortages in labor, the Conservatives refused to respond. They bloviated, calling it a “manufactured situation.” They prevaricated, assuring the public there was nothing to worry about. And, seeing the chance to recast their negligence as benevolence, they claimed their failure to act was because they wanted companies to pay British workers more, instead of relying on cheap foreign labor.

 

This alibi for inaction is unconvincing. In the Netherlands, for example, new legislation has improved the pay and working conditions for truck drivers. In Britain, conditions remain among the worst in Europe. The government’s belated response — offering 5,000 temporary visas for drivers from E.U. nations — is too little, too late.

 

Instead of higher wages, the British public have so far encountered only higher prices. Inflation has risen faster than at any point since 1997 and the climbing price of gas globally is placing further strain on people’s lives, making energy more expensive than anywhere in Europe.

 

Whereas other governments, in Spain and Italy, have ensured that struggling families are protected from rising costs, the Conservatives have offered no such clemency. Three million households in Britain already live in “fuel poverty,” made to choose between heating and eating in the winter. After the Conservatives raise a cap on energy prices in October, that number is expected to increase by a further half million.

 

Mr. Johnson nonetheless claims to have given British Conservatism a kinder face. He speaks rousingly of “leveling up” and “turbocharging” left-behind communities. But the behavior of his government suggests otherwise.

 

On Sept. 30, it ended a program that compensated people for up to 80 percent of lost income during the pandemic. And on Oct. 6, the Conservatives will cut Universal Credit, Britain’s all-encompassing welfare program, by 20 pounds, or $27, a week — just when more people than ever rely on it. The largest single reduction to the welfare state in British history, it’s forecast to push half a million more people below the poverty line, including 200,000 children. (A newly announced winter hardship fund worth £500 million, or $673 million, will do little to soften a cut 12 times its size.)

 

This grim confluence, from fuel shortages to spiraling poverty, has been described by many as a “perfect storm.” Yet the metaphor erases the active role the Conservatives — and in particular, the prime minister — have played in orchestrating these foreboding conditions. The bleak winter ahead is of their making.

 

But Mr. Johnson is unlikely to bear the consequences of his actions. His government, resting on a large majority, remains secure. And for him, crises are always opportunities. A master shape-shifter, unburdened by any sense of accountability or honesty, he thrives in conditions of adversity. The rest of the country won’t be so lucky.'

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Just had my wifes phone bill through.

 

She was in Italy for work a couple of weeks back and 'didn't realise' roaming charges now apply so didn't buy an add on.

 

Two hundred and forty fucking quid so she can scroll twitter and gossip on the phone with her friends about the Real Housewives.

 

Fucksake.

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