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13 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

I don't see it as a vote winner personally. The seats Labour lost at the last election were pro brexit area's so the idea that Labour is trying to undo Brexit won't win back those voters. 

Give them a couple of years of empty shelves and prices sky-rocketing and we will see

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It's alright. Johnson will deliver on his Brexit promise to get an American trade deal. Then we can fill our empty shelves with American products instead.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58646017 (written by his BBC stooge)

 

Joe Biden plays down chances of UK-US trade deal

Joe Biden has played down the chances of brokering a post-Brexit free trade deal with the UK, as he held talks with Boris Johnson at the White House.

Downing Street said its priority was still getting a deal with the US alone.

But the BBC understands that UK ministers are now considering joining an existing North American trade pact instead of pursuing a separate deal.

The two leaders also discussed Northern Ireland, climate change and Afghanistan during the 90-minute meeting.

Downing Street said they "had agreed to continue working towards a future full free trade agreement".

However, Mr Johnson had earlier also downplayed chances of securing a deal with the US before the next general election, saying: "The Americans do negotiate very hard."

Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office before the talks, Mr Biden said the pair would discuss trade "a little bit", adding: "We're going to have to work that through."

A deal would encourage trade by making it cheaper - usually by reducing or eliminating taxes called tariffs.

A source familiar with the government's thinking suggested to the BBC that the UK could negotiate entry into an existing trade arrangement between the US, Canada and Mexico - known as the USMCA - set up after former US President Donald Trump tore up its predecessor, NAFTA.

"There are a variety of different ways to do this," the source said. "The question is whether the US administration is ready. The ball is in the US's court. It takes two to tango."

It's really clear from both sides that there is no rapid path to a trade deal - the opportunity that used to be lauded by Brexiteers and by President Trump.

Mr Johnson hinted at that realism in his curtain raiser conversations on his way over here.

And the president pretty much confirmed that here in their meeting in the Oval Office.

The UK seems no longer to want to believe, or pretend, that doing business in a major deal is top of their list.

Instead, while the government is still officially pursuing a stand-alone deal with the US there's a twin track with a more incremental approach - there have already been changes to whisky tariffs and British beef. But Number 10 is now hopeful that the Americans are seriously considering changing tack on British lamb.

Elsewhere, Downing Street said Mr Johnson and Mr Biden agreed all diplomatic and humanitarian methods must be used to stop conditions getting worse in Afghanistan.

The leaders said any international recognition of the Taliban must be contingent on the group respecting human rights.

Before the meeting, Mr Biden also issued a fresh warning to the UK that peace in Northern Ireland must not be jeopardised as a result of complications caused by Brexit.

Mr Biden made it clear he has concerns about the Irish border, amid continuing issues with Northern Ireland Protocol - the arrangement which helps prevent checks along the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

The pair also discussed the new UK, US and Australia security pact in the Asia-Pacific, with No 10 describing it as an example of "shared values and approach to the world".

The meeting - taking place on the sidelines of the UN summit - also involved the traditional exchange of gifts.

Mr Biden gave the prime minister a framed photo of their first meeting in Cornwall at the G7 summit in June, and a White House branded watch, according to officials.

Mr Johnson gave the president a signed copy of a book written by British astronaut Tim Peake with an inscription expressing hopes that it "provides a reminder of what we're fighting to save as our countries tackle climate change together".

The prime minister's gift comes weeks ahead of the COP26 climate summit, which is seen as a crucial moment to bring climate change under control.

Earlier, Mr Biden announced the US would double its climate finance pledge and increase funding for developing countries to $11.4bn (£8.3bn) by 2024.

Mr Johnson said the US had "stepped up to the plate" with what he called a "massive contribution" towards the $100bn goal for countries to raise.

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On 20/09/2021 at 20:18, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Even if the current chaos gets worse, rejoining won't become a vote winner unless people are convinced that the shitshow is a result of Brexit and that it's not all worth it. With a pro-Brexit media, that's not a given.

Pro Brexit media? The media could not have been more anti Brexit if they tried. 

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3 hours ago, magicrat said:

Joining the NA trade agreement would it not be simpler to join the EU single market where we do most of our business. Just an idea

Isn’t NAFTA very weighted in favour of the US. Writing from memory that Mexico was getting shafted at the time.

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2 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Isn’t NAFTA very weighted in favour of the US. Writing from memory that Mexico was getting shafted at the time.

 

They get the hefty cunt coke though, so it balances itself out in their eyes.

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2 hours ago, Cockyroach said:

Pro Brexit media? The media could not have been more anti Brexit if they tried. 

Have you ever even heard of newspapers?

 

And the BBC are so craven to the Johnson regime that they blame shortages and the economic & political shitshow on anything but Brexit.

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1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Have you ever even heard of newspapers?

 

And the BBC are so craven to the Johnson regime that they blame shortages and the economic & political shitshow on anything but Brexit.

BBC? Those commie cunts that did nothing but sneer at Brexit for 5 years? You've having a laugh. Not just the BBC but sky news, C4, itv, all fucking anti Brexit cunts.

 

And as for the papers, apart from the scum and mail, all the other shit rags like the guardian, observer, independent etc were all against a democratic decision to get our fucking country back. They're a bunch of London metropolitan traitors, I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire.

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9 minutes ago, Cockyroach said:

No, it's true.

https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/our-research/uk-press-coverage-eu-referendum

 

"The report is based on analysis of two days of press coverage each week for London editions of nine national newspapers over 4 months of the campaign. Of the 2,378 articles analysed which were focused on the referendum, 41% were pro leave as against 27% pro-remain. Press coverage focused heavily on politicians and campaign spokespeople with relatively few analysts/experts, academics, and foreign politicians cited, and with more attention on personalities and the contest, than the issues."

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3 minutes ago, Cockyroach said:

See my above post, the media are cunts who should fuck off to Brussels if they don't like how things have gone. 

Not another head the ball. 

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5 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:


No, it’s not.

 

I await your reply, this is fascinating.

Yes it is, all the TV stations, which are the most popular media now were against brexit. Newspapers are a dying medium, the commie EU loving cunts knew this so they flooded the airwaves with their anti-democratic fucking shit. 4-5 years of anti-british progaganda.

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8 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/our-research/uk-press-coverage-eu-referendum

 

"The report is based on analysis of two days of press coverage each week for London editions of nine national newspapers over 4 months of the campaign. Of the 2,378 articles analysed which were focused on the referendum, 41% were pro leave as against 27% pro-remain. Press coverage focused heavily on politicians and campaign spokespeople with relatively few analysts/experts, academics, and foreign politicians cited, and with more attention on personalities and the contest, than the issues."

Even if that shit were true, which it isn't, the main problem was the bias in the TV media.

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