Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

30 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Like I say - you don't understand numbers. If you want to frame it as a change in the rate of inflation, them 3% to 4% is a 33.333% change. But nobody frames it that way, because that would be daft. The way inflation is experienced in the real world is that the money you have to pay out increased year on year and if - as is happening right now for most working people - the money coming in isn't rising by at least the same rate, then you're fucked.

Yeah so as I said a just over 1% rise. 

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Still, you crack on telling working class people that that's not a problem, while trying to lecture Labour Party members on how to win working class votes.

 

OK and you drive around telling low paid workers their pay rises have nothing to do with Brexit and your going to fly in loads of Latvian lorry drivers, Polish plasterers and Romanian farm workers and tell me how you get on in the Labour heartlands.

 

Oh and whist your at it warn them about this estimated tempory 1% rise in inflation.

 

See how many votes you pick up.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

51 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Well the response has been fucking lukewarm at best.

If you see them for what they are - temporary, limited, Covid-related emergency measures - then you're disinclined to hang out the red, white & blue bunting (or to credit Dominic fucking Cummings with anything).

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Yeah so as I said a just over 1% rise. 

 

OK and you drive around telling low paid workers their pay rises have nothing to do with Brexit and your going to fly in loads of Latvian lorry drivers, Polish plasterers and Romanian farm workers and tell me how you get on in the Labour heartlands.

Nobody is advocating what you're saying there. (Also, you're just wrong on the numbers.)

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Right. So when you said Cummings and Cain put pay rises in people's pockets, you meant they didn't. Right ho.

Er no, but they knew leaving the EU would, which wasn't really rocket science.

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

If you see them for what they are - temporary, limited, Covid-related emergency measures - then you're disinclined to hang out the red, white & blue bunting (or to credit Dominic fucking Cummings with anything).

Yeah but that's your opinion, I can't really see tesco laying off lorry drivers any time soon or slashing their pay, same for other workers. 

 

The alternative was to carry on and on with stagnant wages, awful situation and little way out.

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

We've had four days of Gnasher failing to understand the first word of the first of my examples of downsides to the current shortages of goods. I dread to think what it will take for him to understand the full post.

Angry your inflation paragraph is a load of tory baloney and the rest isn't much better, you're spouting the same shit as a 1979 Margaret Thatcher.  

 

Inflation is NOT a problem for the UK, its very low and most forecasts suggest it'll stay low. 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/13/us-hit-13-year-high-last-month

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

You don't understand numbers, do you?

 

It's 4%. Four is more than one.  It's also a big chunk out of the sector-specific rises you love to wank over and it's more than the rises most workers are being offered.

Margret Thatcher got inflation down to 5% from 20% in 18 months or so... still over the 4% figure you seem to be terrified of.

 

Remind me how that economic policy worked out for everyone bar the top 20% of people I  this country Angry.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

23 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Er no, but they knew leaving the EU would, which wasn't really rocket science.

That's Daily Mail logic: " Bastard forrins are keeping wages down; the only way to get wages up is to send the buggers back."

 

Since a large part - maybe most - of the current labour shortages are caused by Covid, I wonder whether Cummings should get credit for hampering the response to the pandemic with his twatty trip to Durham.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

9 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Margret Thatcher got inflation down to 5% from 20% in 18 months or so... still over the 4% figure you seem to be terrified of.

 

Remind me how that economic policy worked out for everyone bar the top 20% of people I  this country Angry.

Your economic illiteracy really is quite spectacular.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

20 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Angry your inflation paragraph is a load of tory baloney and the rest isn't much better, you're spouting the same shit as a 1979 Margaret Thatcher.  

 

Inflation is NOT a problem for the UK, its very low and most forecasts suggest it'll stay low. 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/13/us-hit-13-year-high-last-month

Ridiculous.

[Gnasher]

17 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Your economic illiteracy really is quite spectacular.

Your attempt at scaremongering because the low paid have received wage increases/ bonus payments is spectacularly transparent. Pretending to worry over 3.9% inflation!! Oh give over.  G

 

Good job you don't influence whats going on over the States. If you're really concerned over a 1% inflation rise I'd suggest your economic compass is more suited to the Tory Party.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/15/why-does-inflation-worry-the-right-so-much

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/13/gdp-rises-and-suddenly-everyones-afraid-of-the-big-bad-inflation-beast

[Gnasher]

60% of Americans think the economy is doing well. Wait till Angry hears what the inflation rate is over the States right now,  he'll think the 60% are communists..

 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/10percent-gdp-growth-the-us-economy-is-on-fire-and-is-about-to-get-stoked-even-more.html

[Gnasher]

42 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Ridiculous.

Not really, you're veiws on inflation are economically very right wing....

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/28/business/economy/inflation-republicans-biden-spending.html

 

 

[Gnasher]

16 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Is this the only place left in the UK where people are still debating Brexit ? It’s like some remote pacific island with the Japanese army holding out until 1955.
 

It’s done, Remain lost and we left. Not obvious yet if it’s a good or bad thing overall but certainly not the apocalypse that was predicted. £ is up, FTSE is above 7,000 and a lot of working class people are getting pay rises. 

Yeah but ignore all that,  Angry, the tories, the daily mail and Ted Cruz are worried to death about single digit inflation.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

There's a definite "Baldrick's very small casserole" vibe about trying to discuss inflation with @Gnasher, but I'll try again.

 

Some people in some sectors have been lucky enough to receive decent pay rises; let's say 7%. This is good for them, because it increases their ability to buy the stuff they need by 7%.

 

Inflation is expected to rise to about 4%. This means that the stuff people need costs 4% more. This is bad, because it means that people's ability to buy stuff hasn't increased by as much as they'd hoped.

 

It's even worse for most workers, because their pay offers are less than 4%, so their ability to buy the stuff they need is reduced.

 

Do you understand, or do I have to illustrate it with a puppet show?

[Dr Nowt]

39 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

There's a definite "Baldrick's very small casserole" vibe about trying to discuss inflation with @Gnasher, but I'll try again.

 

Some people in some sectors have been lucky enough to receive decent pay rises; let's say 7%. This is good for them, because it increases their ability to buy the stuff they need by 7%.

 

Inflation is expected to rise to about 4%. This means that the stuff people need costs 4% more. This is bad, because it means that people's ability to buy stuff hasn't increased by as much as they'd hoped.

 

It's even worse for most workers, because their pay offers are less than 4%, so their ability to buy the stuff they need is reduced.

 

Do you understand, or do I have to illustrate it with a puppet show?

Settle down, Nigel Lawson. We all know you’re warming your hands on the flaming torso of yet another orphan as you type these.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

59 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

The OBR and FT are both predicting 2% long term but without any evidence, you predict 4%. Maybe you should get a job with a bank rather than insulting people on here all day because they dare to disagree with your unfounded opinions. 

Inflation - Office for Budget Responsibility (obr.uk)

What is the long-term outlook for UK inflation? - FTAdviser.com

That OBR link was last updated 3 months ago.

 

The FT link says what the NIESR* are saying - that inflation will spike this year.  (If you think their forecasts are "without any evidence" take it up with them, not me.)

 

Gnasher isn't just disagreeing with my opinions, when he farts on about inflation being a good thing (and anyone who disagrees is Thatcher reincarnated) - he's disagreeing with every economist and every worker who has ever had a shit pay rise.

 

 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

That OBR link was last updated 3 months ago.

 

The FT link says what the NIESR* are saying - that inflation will spike this year.  (If you think their forecasts are "without any evidence" take it up with them, not me.)

 

Gnasher isn't just disagreeing with my opinions, when he farts on about inflation being a good thing (and anyone who disagrees is Thatcher reincarnated) - he's disagreeing with every economist and every worker who has ever had a shit pay rise.

 

 

I'm really not disagreeing with every economist who's had a shit pay rise though Angry am I? You're just making random shit up. The predicted inflation rate of 3.9 ( that's if it happens) going back to approx 2% is imo very little to worry about. A lot of people/economists/political analysts think the same. As the inflation rate over the States is currently over 5% and their economy is doing fine I believe your fears are not based on any tangible reasoning.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/15/why-does-inflation-worry-the-right-so-much

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/13/gdp-rises-and-suddenly-everyones-afraid-of-the-big-bad-inflation-beast

[Gnasher]

 

Seems the President Biden hasn't read Angrys posts on here. 

 

Mccarthy is a right wing republican nut job from California.

 

 

 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Just tell me how you're going to convince low-paid people who are barely getting by that an increase in inflation is nothing for them to worry about.

(I emphasise "for them" because it's quite clear that you're alright so you don't give a fuck.)

[Arniepie]

Apparently we are 3 weeks away from.a total breakdown of the supply train.

Who would have thought a plan devised by boris johnson,nigel Farage, paul nuttall and ann widdecombe would end in tears?

 

[Gnasher]

26 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Just tell me how you're going to convince low-paid people who are barely getting by that an increase in inflation is nothing for them to worry about.

(I emphasise "for them" because it's quite clear that you're alright so you don't give a fuck.)

Good god give this nonsense up Angry.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Good god give this nonsense up Angry.

Just try to answer a simple fucking question.

[Gnasher]

As they say at the end of crimewatch, don't have nightmares...

 

 

[Section_31]

Some supermarket shelves lately look like Clive James footage from Leningrad. Great success.