Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Moo said:

Great, opportunities for back breaking seasonal work, just what every British worker dreams of as they struggle to manage mortgage and childcare payments.

At least the ones who do choose to do the work have received a sixty per cent pay rise, or would you rather continue watching overseas workers being exploited?

[Moo]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

At least the ones who do choose to do the work have received a sixty per cent pay rise, or would you rather continue watching overseas workers being exploited?

No I'd rather we had implemented rules, entirely compatible with EU membership, not to exploit any workers wherever they were from.  That was a choice by the UK.

You think people picking fruit and veg will see a 60% pay rise?  And if so what happens to the price of British produce? And then what happens to sales of British produce?

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Moo said:

No I'd rather we had implemented rules, entirely compatible with EU membership, not to exploit any workers wherever they were from.  That was a choice by the UK.

You think people picking fruit and veg will see a 60% pay rise?  And if so what happens to the price of British produce? And then what happens to sales of British produce?

God.; people actually arguing against low paid workers finally getting a much needed pay rise. 

[Pidge]

What's the source for these pay rises?

[Moo]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

God.; people actually arguing against low paid workers finally getting a much needed pay rise. 

Arguing against? Nah, but you make stuff up to avoid answering the questions.

 

Based on the general lifestyle of the UK do you think seasonal work is appealing?

Do you think an approach of abnormal pay increases, to attract workers for whom back breaking seasonal work is either entirely unsuitable or undesirable, is sustainable?  If so, how? Premium priced fruit and veg for those who can afford it?

Truly sunlit uplands.

[Moo]

2 minutes ago, Pidge said:

What's the source for these pay rises?

I think there's one farm who have said they're willing to increase the wage for pickers by up to 60% but that it may also need the help of the army to deliver.  With the caveat that it's not a sustainable approach, I mean, of course fucking not.

[M_B]

The future is cheap American food. Our producers won't be able to compete with foreign imports. Farmers will have to diversify to survive.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I take you've missed the wages rises given to construction/haulage/agricultural workers recently then? Or were they just a happy coincidence or employers feeling generous?

I take it you've missed my response to every time you hail those pay rises as heralding some sort of golden age for British workers.

 

Supermarkets will get their stuff elsewhere and jobs will be lost. That's not a good thing.

[Moo]

13 minutes ago, M_B said:

The future is cheap American food. Our producers won't be able to compete with foreign imports. 

Well you have to presume that Gnasher either disagrees with this - but so far I don't think has explained the reasoning - or is perhaps okay with overseas workers being exploited overseas to produce cheap food for the UK. As long as the UK is out of the EU that's all that matters.

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I take it you've missed my response to every time you hail those pay rises as heralding some sort of golden age for British workers.

 

Supermarkets will get their stuff elsewhere and jobs will be lost. That's not a good thing.

"Jobs will be lost" their is a massive labour shortage Angry, its leading to inflation busting pay rises for low paid workers and its not changing anytime soon..

[Gnasher]

27 minutes ago, Pidge said:

What's the source for these pay rises?

Which? Farm workers? 

 

https://www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/farming/a36724667/british-farmers-help-fruit-picking-pay-more/

 

Construction?

 

http://www.infrastructure-intelligence.com/article/feb-2021/citb-finds-jobs-boost-british-workers-post-brexit-construction

 

[Gnasher]

30 minutes ago, Pidge said:

What's the source for these pay rises?

Haulage?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-somerset-57656327

[M_B]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Which? Farm workers? 

 

https://www.countryliving.com/uk/wildlife/farming/a36724667/british-farmers-help-fruit-picking-pay-more/

 

 

 

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Naylor Farms in Lincolnshire, the largest grower of cabbages in the UK, wrote an email explaining details of the crisis: "To keep people, we have raised wages by 60% to nearly £20 per hour for packhouse staff and from this week we are having to pay them to turn up at £20 a day for a weekday and £30 for weekends. This now is unsustainable. Yes a lot of us voted out [on Brexit] and now we have this problem!"

 

[Gnasher]

7 minutes ago, Moo said:

Well you have to presume that Gnasher either disagrees with this - but so far I don't think has explained the reasoning - or is perhaps okay with overseas workers being exploited overseas to produce cheap food for the UK. As long as the UK is out of the EU that's all that matters.

I do disagree with it, supermarkets are really struggling to fill front of shop, warehouse and haulage staff, if a major shop wants to try to slash wages they've no hope of attracting workers.

[Gnasher]

Just now, M_B said:

 

The 60% may be but the above inflation rises are here for the foreseeable future. Good fuck em.

[Gnasher]

7 hours ago, lifetime fan said:

A mate of hers manages a Lidl store down here.  
 

They used to get a delivery of 20 pallets a day, they’re currently getting 3 pallets on alternate days because there’s a severe lack of HGV drivers and fresh produce is being hit the most. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-somerset-57656327

[M_B]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

fuck em.

Really?

 

This is their website - https://www.naylorfarms.co.uk/

 

They have been farmers for 110 years. If they are struggling, then you have to assume the rest of the industry is too. At least their size of farm. If they are forced to continue paying wages at those levels, then they simply won't survive and the jobs will be lost. That isn't a good thing surely?

 

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In 1909 William Naylor moved to Lincolnshire to work with his sister on her farm, leaving his job as a newspaper editor in Peterborough. He moved to the area permanently and soon after his son, Harold Naylor, was born.

 

Harold worked with his father on the farm, and together they helped to improve and expand the business.

 

From the 1930s to the 1970s, the farm specialised in tulips, daffodils, spring cabbage and potatoes. In the early 70s, the farm started growing coleslaw cabbage after the introduction of coleslaw into the UK from the USA. Coleslaw cabbage became the primary crop, resulting in Naylor Farms being one of the largest coleslaw cabbage growers in Europe today. 

 

The farm is currently run by the third and fourth generations of the Naylor family, Brian and Simon Naylor.

 

[Moo]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The 60% may be but the above inflation rises are here for the foreseeable future. Good fuck em.

Forseeable? So you can't forsee a time when cheaper produce is readily available from overseas?

[Gnasher]

Just now, M_B said:

Really?

 

This is their website - https://www.naylorfarms.co.uk/

 

They have been farmers for 110 years. If they are struggling, then you have to assume the rest of the industry is too. At least their size of farm. If they are forced to continue paying wages at those levels, then they simply won't survive and the jobs will be lost. That isn't a good thing surely?

 

 

If you're asking me to shed tears for British farmers and landowners I'm afraid the ducts are dry.

 

[Rico1304]

The stupid bastard seems to forget that the labour has moved.  Consistency of supply is paramount for supermarkets, they’ll buy from where the supply is guaranteed. If anything that means pay and conditions will improve in Europe. 

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Moo said:

Forseeable? So you can't forsee a time when cheaper produce is readily available from overseas?

They can't afford the haulage. We're witnessing a long overdue wage correction mainly involving low paid workers.

[Bruce Spanner]

Stupid bastard is a great insult, really hammers it home.

 

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

The stupid bastard seems to forget that the labour has moved.  Consistency of supply is paramount for supermarkets, they’ll buy from where the supply is guaranteed. If anything that means pay and conditions will improve in Europe. 

What a load of nonsense. Anyway I thought you had me on ignore? Wage rises for low paid workers really gets up the nose of a few on here. I'm starting to think they begrudge it.

[Gnasher]

16 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Stupid bastard is a great insult, really hammers it home.

 

Ha, here's the baby Bentley Boys throwing silly insults because they're narked over low paid workers getting a pay rise. 

[Moo]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

They can't afford the haulage.

Okay we'll see how that pans out.

 

And I wonder (not directly aimed at you, just a general thought), how long until benefit rules are changed so that those on jobseekers allowance can be forced in to filling the vacancies at minimum wage, irrespective of suitability, in order to benefit business? 

Sounds like a *dream/nightmare (*delete as applicable).

Brexit, one of the ultimate pyrrhic victories.